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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    Obama suggests value-added tax may be an option

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama suggested Wednesday that a new value-added tax on Americans is still on the table, seeming to show more openness to the idea than his aides have expressed in recent days.

    Before deciding what revenue options are best for dealing with the deficit and the economy, Obama said in an interview with CNBC, "I want to get a better picture of what our options are."

    After Obama adviser Paul Volcker recently raised the prospect of a value-added tax, or VAT, the Senate voted 85-13 last week for a nonbinding "sense of the Senate" resolution that calls the such a tax "a massive tax increase that will cripple families on fixed income and only further push back America's economic recovery."

    For days, White House spokesmen have said the president has not proposed and is not considering a VAT.

    "I think I directly answered this the other day by saying that it wasn't something that the president had under consideration," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters shortly before Obama spoke with CNBC.

    After the interview, White House deputy communications director Jen Psaki said nothing has changed and the White House is "not considering" a VAT.

    Many European countries impose a VAT, which taxes the value that is added at each stage of production of certain commodities. It could apply, for instance, to raw products delivered to a mill, the mill's production work and so on up the line to the retailer.

    In the CNBC interview, Obama said he was waiting for recommendations from a bipartisan fiscal advisory commission on ways to tackle the deficit and other problems.

    When asked if he could see a potential VAT in this nation, the president said: "I know that there's been a lot of talk around town lately about the value-added tax. That is something that has worked for some countries. It's something that would be novel for the United States."

    "And before, you know, I start saying 'this makes sense or that makes sense,' I want to get a better picture of what our options are," Obama said.

    He said his first priority "is to figure out how can we reduce wasteful spending so that, you know, we have a baseline of the core services that we need and the government should provide. And then we decide how do we pay for that."

    Volcker has said taxes might have to be raised to slow the deficit's growth. He said a value-added tax "was not as toxic an idea" as it had been in the past.

    Since then, some GOP lawmakers and conservative commentators have said the Obama administration is edging toward a VAT.
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  • hideyoursheep
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2007
    • 6351

    #2
    Wake me when it happens.

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    • sadaist
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jul 2004
      • 11625

      #3
      It was just this week while in California campaigning (of course) for Barbara Boxer that Obama said we should be thanking him about our taxes.

      Thank you Barack.
      “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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      • Dr. Love
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Jan 2004
        • 7833

        #4
        Yeah, thanks for those tax cuts, you asshole!
        I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

        http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35755

          #5
          The trillion a year for 'defence' has to come from somewhere.

          This is what that looks like as $100 bills...

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          • PETE'S BROTHER
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Feb 2007
            • 12678

            #6
            Originally posted by Seshmeister
            The trillion a year for 'defence' has to come from somewhere.

            This is what that looks like as $100 bills...

            looks like my safety deposit box
            Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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            • kwame k
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Feb 2008
              • 11302

              #7
              Sure could tip a lot of strippers
              Originally posted by vandeleur
              E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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              • sadaist
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Jul 2004
                • 11625

                #8
                Are those the new counterfeit proof hundreds unveiled yesterday? The only real reason they redesigned them is so Geithner could have his signature on them. But they do look kinda cool.

                “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32942

                  #9
                  Last time I was in Norway a hot dog cost $25. They have a HUGE value added tax. Obama is a nutcase. I thought Bush was bad with his Patriot Act and wars based on lies but Obama is a warmonger and spending us into oblivion. Once Geitner devalues the US Dollar it's not even going to buy a small gum ball.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Seshmeister
                    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                    • Oct 2003
                    • 35755

                    #10
                    Norway is expensive but that's partly to do with it being just about the richest country in the world because it's small with oil and the fact it has amazing public services. Their VAT rate is high between 12-24% depending on what you are buying but remember a couple of things.

                    VAT replaces sales tax so you have to take that off when thinking about the percentages.

                    Taking the top rate of say Wyoming at 9% off of their top level leaves 15% so without VAT that hot dog would have been $25 x 85% = $21.25 so VAT isn't the main reason their stuff is so expensive in dollars.

                    Gone are the days when Americans or even British could wander the world having people bite our hands off to get our currencies making it seem cheap.
                    Last edited by Seshmeister; 04-22-2010, 10:58 PM.

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32942

                      #11
                      The thing is the US might get Norwegian taxes but it's not going to get Norwegian services. Look at our new healthcare law. It's not socialized medicine at all, it forces you to buy private insurance and guess what, the insurance companies stock went up and so did their rates. That kind of shit isn't going on in Norway.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • Nitro Express
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 32942

                        #12
                        The Federal Reserve and the Federal Government are on their last leg. The Chinese and Japanese have cut the money off. The Federal Reserve is printing lot's of dollars but nobody in the world wants them. You only have to look at the Baltic shipping index to see world shipping is way down because the world's biggest consumer (the US) currency is not welcome anymore. So this is why the Federal government is clamping down on us citizens hard, raising taxes, stealing pension fund money, any trick in the book because the offshore sources of money have been cut off. Get ready for more war. The politicians and bankers need another huge disaster to take the attention off themselves. Then Bernanke will devalue the dollar and it will buy even less.
                        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                        • Blackflag
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 3406

                          #13
                          That's like one of those prologues you read at the beginning of the Star Wars movies.

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                          • sadaist
                            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 11625

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Seshmeister
                            VAT replaces sales tax so you have to take that off when thinking about the percentages.
                            VAT is going to replace state sales taxes? Um, think again chief.
                            “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                            • Blackflag
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 3406

                              #15
                              I'd be in favor of the VAT if they'd agree to get rid of the income tax. One or the other.

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