New York City approves plans for Mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero

[GAR]

We could meet them halfway and build a church and recreational center in the Zamzam office towers that overlook that shrine in Mecca, but the minute a US construction site steps off the plane they'd be imprisoned.

It's not a two-way street over there. Therefore, we have to entomb them all in radioactive waste and then bulldoze the ashes into the ocean to be done with it.

[Blaze]

Nice White-Powa' racist Neo-Nazis, who share much of your world view, also celebrated on 9/11...

I can't find it at the very moment, However, a significant number of white separatist are Muslim. I think that file is in the 2007 archives. I'll research it later.

[Blaze]

FACT CHECK: Islam already part of WTC neighborhood

By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 20 mins ago
WASHINGTON – A New York imam and his proposed mosque near ground zero are being demonized by political candidates — mostly Republicans — despite the fact that Islam is already very much a part of the World Trade Center neighborhood. And that Muslims pray inside the Pentagon, too, less than 80 feet from where terrorists attacked.
And that the imam who's being branded an extremist has been valued by both Republican and Democratic administrations as a moderate face of the faith.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_ot/us_mosque_fact_check

[Blaze]

Muslims in Manhattan say they need a place to pray

By Daniel Trotta – Wed Aug 18, 2:23 pm ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Muslims in lower Manhattan who have prayed in a crowded basement or in the streets say they are not looking for confrontation with opponents of a new mosque. They simply need the space.
Some New Yorkers traumatized by the September 11, 2001 attacks have emotionally opposed a proposed Muslim community center and mosque two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center. Republican politicians seeking to wrest control of Congress from Democrats in November elections have seized on the issue.
The controversy has sucked in President Barack Obama and stirred debate about the meaning of religious freedom in a nation founded in part on that principle. Competing rallies for and against the Muslim project are planned to mark this year's ninth anniversary of the attacks.
Stuck in the middle are Muslims who work in downtown Manhattan and need a place for daily prayers.
"You know how many Muslims are in this area? On Friday the street used to be packed, and we had a pass from the police to block the streets," said Saad Madaha, 32, a consultant originally from Ghana who prays at Masjid Manhattan in a narrow basement beneath a night club.
"I would like to see a mosque that looks more like a mosque. I would like to go and pray and have full concentration in my prayers and not have music bashing me in my head."
The Masjid Manhattan, one of two mosques in the area, is four blocks from the World Trade Center but has gone largely unnoticed. A door with a modest sign "MASJID" -- Arabic for mosque -- leads from the sidewalk to the prayer space below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100818/ts_nm/us_usa_mosque

[Blaze]

Muslims pray daily at Pentagon's 9/11 crash site

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer – Wed Aug 18, 6:38 pm ET
WASHINGTON – While Americans are bitterly debating the proposed building of a mosque near New York's ground zero, Muslims have been praying for years less than 80 feet from where another hijacked jetliner struck.
The Pentagon chapel is part of a memorial to the 184 people killed in 2001 when hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 flew into the west side of the Pentagon and plowed through three of the building's five office rings.
As part of its massive renovation, the Pentagon opened the nondenominational chapel in November 2002. The chapel hosts a daily prayer group and weekly worship service for Muslims and provides similar services for Jews, Hindus, Mormons, Protestants, Catholics and Episcopalians.
Pentagon officials say that no one in the military or the families of the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks has ever protested.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_pentagon_muslims

[Blaze]

Imam at center of Ground Zero controversy helped Bush administration

Controversy continues to rage over the proposed Islamic center that would house a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero in Manhattan. New polls show strong opposition to the project in New York and nationally, and every Republican front-runner for 2012 has been quick to condemn it. Even some Democrats, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, have said they think the mosque should be built somewhere else.
One of the tactics of mosque opponents has been to vaguely accuse the imam behind the project of having "radical ties" — a charge that's been floated by Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and New York gubernatorial candidate Rick Lazio, among others — while also casting aspersions on the project's funding. (A spokesman for the project said through Twitter that the center's backers have not yet begun fundraising.)
[Photos: Ground Zero mosque plan]
But such characterizations don't square with the project's mission — or the career of its spiritual leader, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. (Rauf heads up the Cordoba Initiative, the organization sponsoring the center.) Rauf was considered moderate enough during the Bush years to lecture FBI agents about Islam. And he is targeted on theological grounds by the same militant Islamists that mosque opponents claim he represents.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100818/pl_yblog_upshot/imam-at-center-of-ground-zero-controversy-helped-bush-administration

[GAR]

Yeah, meanwhile, he's probably facing follicular challenges himself, hence the envy...

The thinning down that dyed-orange middle shines like a Cartel landing strip in the Sonoran Desert.

[ULTRAMAN VH]

You're not looking closely enough.

In classic neocon shitbag fashion, you're being both a fear AND a hate-mongering idiot. None of my muslim co-workers have tried to kill me (shock!). Blanket statements like that are just idiotic. THIS is why you don't get taken seriously.

Instead of altering my posts and resorting to infantile name calling, try refuting my statements. Please prove what I stated in my post was false.

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Ford must be shitting a gorilla this morning! His hero, Howard Dean has come out against the building of the mosque.

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean comes out against proposed mosque at Ground Zero

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

Dean, one of the more liberal members of the party who ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004 before serving as head of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), suggested the mosque should be moved.

“Well I think another site would be a better idea, again -- but I would look to do that with the cooperation of the people who are trying to build the mosque,” Dean said.

Dean became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of the mosque just blocks from Ground Zero.

On Monday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) became the first high profile Democrat to oppose building it. Reid is locked in a tight re-election race in Nevada against Tea Party candidate Sharron Angle.

“The First Amendment protects freedom of religion," Reid’s spokesman Jim Manley wrote in an email to NewsCore Monday. "Senator Reid respects that, but thinks that the mosque should be built someplace else."

A Siena Research Institute poll released Wednesday showed that 61 percent of New Yorkers opposed building the mosque at the current location. National polls have showed a similar number of people opposed to it.



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/f...#ixzz0x2aJLYif

[Seshmeister]

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They'd luvvit. They get high on that shit.

There are 1 100 000 000 Muslims in the world and it's always that one stupid woman that get's wheeled out. One stupid woman and maybe 4 or 5 people that seem to have just found out and are a bit excited.

Considering all the weapons provided by the US to Israel and then used pretty indiscriminately against civilians over the years that's pretty fucking remarkable.

[jhale667]

Instead of altering my posts and resorting to infantile name calling, try refuting my statements. Please prove what I stated in my post was false.

Your statement was idiotic, and should be ridiculed, sorry. There's no need to refute the your statement - the FACT is that ALL Muslims aren't out to get you, dude. Wake up.

[FORD]

Ford must be shitting a gorilla this morning! His hero, Howard Dean has come out against the building of the mosque.

Just as Ted Olson or Pat Buchanan gets something right once in a great while, even Dr. Dean can be wrong at least once. And he certainly is, in this case.

The community center (including, but not limited to, a mosque) is not being built in the vacant lot where the World Trade Center used to stand. It's being built in a Burlington Coat Factory building, for fucks sake. It's not sacred ground, it's a goddamn outlet store!

[jhale667]

Just as Ted Olson or Pat Buchanan gets something right once in a great while, even Dr. Dean can be wrong at least once. And he certainly is, in this case.

The community center (including, but not limited to, a mosque) is not being built in the vacant lot where the World Trade Center used to stand. It's being built in a Burlington Coat Factory building, for fucks sake. It's not sacred ground, it's a goddamn outlet store!

Exactly. And I agree before ANYONE can even begin to bitch ("American blood shed", "Sacred Ground") about this - every Robert E. Lee and/or Confederate Civil War memorial needs to be torn the fuck down. Let's be consistent.

[jhale667]

HERE's why the shitbags are trying to gin up the Muslim-hate, so they can then attempt to connect it to the POTUS for the mid-terms. And stupid people are falling for it.

Poll: Growing number incorrectly call Obama Muslim
By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_poll_obama_s_religion

WASHINGTON – Americans increasingly are convinced — incorrectly — that President Barack Obama is a Muslim, and a growing number are thoroughly confused about his religion.

Nearly one in five people, or 18 percent, said they think Obama is Muslim, up from the 11 percent who said so in March 2009, according to a poll released Thursday. The proportion who correctly say he is a Christian is down to just 34 percent.

The largest share of people, 43 percent, said they don't know his religion, an increase from the 34 percent who said that in early 2009.

The survey, conducted by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center and its affiliated Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, is based on interviews conducted before the controversy over whether Muslims should be permitted to construct a mosque near the World Trade Center site. Obama has said he believes Muslims have the right to build an Islamic center there, though he's also said he won't take a position on whether they should actually build it.

In a separate poll by Time magazine/ABT SRBI conducted Monday and Tuesday — after Obama's comments about the mosque — 24 percent said they think he is Muslim, 47 percent said they think he is Christian and 24 percent didn't know or didn't respond.

In addition, 61 percent opposed building the Muslim center near the Trade Center site and 26 percent said they favor it.

The Pew poll found that about three in 10 of Obama's fiercest political rivals, Republicans and conservatives, say he is a Muslim. That is up significantly from last year and far higher than the share of Democrats and liberals who say so. But even among his supporters, the number saying he is a Christian has fallen since 2009, with just 43 percent of blacks and 46 percent of Democrats saying he is Christian.

Among independents, 18 percent say Obama is Muslim — up from 10 percent last year.

Pew analysts attribute the findings to attacks by his opponents and Obama's limited attendance at religious services, particularly in contrast with Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, whose worship was more public.

Andrew Kohut, the Pew Research Center's director, said the confusion partly reflects "the intensification of negative views about Obama among his critics." Alan Cooperman, the Pew Forum's associate director for research, said that with the public hearing little about Obama's religion, "maybe there's more possibility for other people to make suggestions that the president is this or he's really that or he's really a Muslim."

Obama is the Christian son of a Kenyan Muslim father and a Kansas mother. From age 6 to 10, Obama lived in predominantly Muslim Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. His full name, Barack Hussein Obama, sounds Muslim to many.

White House officials did not provide on-the-record comments on the survey, but they prompted Pastor Kirbyjon Caldwell of Houston to call The Associated Press.

Caldwell, who said he has known Obama for years, said the president is a Christian who prays every day. He said he was not sure where the public confusion about the president's religion came from, but he called false media reports about it "a 24-hour noise box committed to presenting the president in a false light."

Six in 10 of those saying Obama is a Muslim said they got the information from the media, with the largest portion — 16 percent — saying it was on television. Eleven percent said they learned it from Obama's behavior and words.

Despite the confusion about Obama's religion, there is noteworthy support for how he uses it to make decisions. Nearly half, or 48 percent, said he relies on his religion the right amount when making policy choices, 21 percent said he uses it too little and 11 percent too much.

At the same time, the poll provides broad indications that the public feels religion is playing a diminished role in politics today, with fewer people than in 2008 saying the Democratic and Republican parties are friendly toward religion.

With elections for control of Congress just over two months away, the poll contains optimistic news for Republicans. Half of white non-Hispanic Catholics, plus three in 10 unaffiliated with a religion and a third of Jews, support the GOP — all up since 2008.

The survey also found:

_The Democratic Party is seen as friendly to religion by 26 percent, while 43 percent say the same about the GOP. That's a 9 percentage point drop for Republicans since 2008, and 12 points lower for Democrats.

_Fifty-two percent say churches should stay away from politics, a reversal of the slim majorities that supported churches' political involvement from 1996 to 2006.

The poll, overseen by Princeton Survey Research Associates International, involved landline and cell phone interviews with 3,003 randomly chosen adults. It was conducted July 21-Aug. 5 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.

Notice the one positive - the margin of people that think ALL churches should stay the F out of politics is rising.

[GAR]

President Oramadan says he's Christian, but he doesn't apply the principles.

This behaviour follows Islamic teaching that it's okay to deceive the Nonbeliever to get a foothold, to kill, to do whatever the human mind wishes in the name of the Lord of the Oilbarrels.

I personally believe what he has done so far has been deceptive, misleading, has lied throughout the entire campaign trail and up to the current day which demostrates if the case truly reveals Oramadan is not a Muslim in the Islamic sense, he's certainly not a Christian.

Christians know that abortion is a medical murdering of the unborn, and to be both pro-Abortion while professing an adherance to any type of Christian faith is complete self-deception.

I would be open to accepting the fact Obama believes he's a Christian if it weren't for his Socialist agenda, which rewards LOSERS in society by taking from the reward from the winners who've worked hard and struggled to make something of themselves.