Paul McCartney: Lay Off “Great Guy” Obama

[hambon4lif]

Awrite Nicky! I predicted you would weigh in on this!


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[Nickdfresh]

Awrite Nicky! I predicted you would weigh in on this!


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Are you claiming to be psychic or something, Handjob4Men?

[hambon4lif]

Are you claiming to be psychic or something, Handjob4Men?

Not at all, RickDeesFelch! I just knew you would have an opposing opinion!

You seem to be one of the last starry-eyed Obama apoligists, so I knew you'd have an opinion that went against the norm. You don't necessarily have have to be Miss-fuckin'-Cleo to figure that out...
On the same hand....don't play the lottery tomorrow....your numbers SUCK!!

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[Nickdfresh]

Not at all, RickDeesFelch! I just knew you would have an opposing opinion!

Opposing opinion to what? That Republicans are immune to the Hollywood fantasy of bullshit? Yeah, I'm a real fanboi there, moron!

You seem to be one of the last starry-eyed Obama apoligists,

I've never apologized for anything, and have criticized his policies several times here...

If you hate him, fine. Just fucking be "fair and balanced" about it.

...so I knew you'd have an opinion that went against the norm. You don't necessarily have have to be Miss-fuckin'-Cleo to figure that out...
On the same hand....don't play the lottery tomorrow....your numbers SUCK!!

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Oh, okay. What are we talking about again?

[jhale667]

Talking points aside...

The job graphic isn't a bikiini anymore, the economy was slowly improving. If BP kills the Gulf and pretty much the entire eastern seaboard, we're fucked either way - did Obama OK that oil rig's construction and though his Big Oil connections they got to claim they could clean up a spill 10x larger w/o proof of it, nor any real plan for stopping it if something went wrong?

He has tried to bribe people out of running for political office.

Doesn't a bribe involve compensation of some sort? And was this not an unpaid position? I mean, sure political advantage for Obama if the dude doesn't run supposedly, but what's his motivation?

And while I think he's doing a good job, he could be LEADING more, yes. But I've been saying I want him to kick even more ass for quite some time. NOW he should be saying NO more offshore drilling, and going full-bore on alternative fuel sources and technology - which will stimulate the economy.

[Blaze]

I never could figure out why the average leg bone didn't see how having universal health care was to beneficial to mom and pop business, which are the very businesses that go head on against the likes of Wal-mart in droves.

[hambon4lif]

[QUOTE=jhale667;1462500NOW he should be saying NO more offshore drilling, and going full-bore on alternative fuel sources and technology - which will stimulate the economy.[/QUOTE]....and what exactly are your so-called "alternatives"? No offense, but I'm actually intrigued by what your definition of "alternative" actually is......

This is not a debate, I'm simply asking you to 'enlighten' me.....

[jhale667]

It's not a fully electric car yet, is it?

....and what exactly are your so-called "alternatives"? No offense, but I'm actually intrigued by what your definition of "alternative" actually is......

This is not a debate, I'm simply asking you to 'enlighten' me.....

No, it's actually not - and I would if I could, but that's kinda the point - unfortunately your question is what isn't being fully explored yet. Why the F not, when fossil fuels, while clearly a finite resource as far as US demand goes, are still enough to destroy the ocean on the entire eastern HALF of the country, part of Mexico AND Cuba? Yeah, based on what's going on right now, let's just keep drilling and hoping...

THAT part isn't a Democratic, or Republican (drill baby drill..cough, but), Liberal or Conservative issue anymore. It's at the very least about to be a national, if not global hemisphere-wide catastrophe. I mean, what happens if they can't get that shit capped until December or beyond? And what is bashing Obama accomplish, besides him involving the military (that's not equipped to do oil-spill cleanup) at least redoubling the effort to:

A ) improve safety measure so rigs like that, out so far we have NO idea what to do now that it fucked up to where they're talking about nuking it - which I heard compared to "The Three Stooges get Nukes" geologically because that could cause problems untold, STILL might not work, then you have radioactive oil hitting out Eastern and Central Beaches for DECADES to come - are never built again.

or

B ) start finding out what plan B is as far as getting us off the oil teat...and I'm only talking about CARS at the moment, not to mention petroleum derivatives are in plastics, etc, etc...
Obviously Solar technology isn't going to make a car go 65 mph consistently yet, nor will a non-hybrid (non gas-powered) vehicle. So, what THEN?

THAT's what I want my tax dollars going to. Not stuff like say making sure my eventual offspring has to learn about what is quite possibly...most likely, there I said it fictitious story in SCIENCE class instead of oh, maybe....English-Lit class, but that's a whooooole 'nuther thread.

Or y'know, scientifically speaking, work on things like alternative fuel/power sources rather than trying to create a black hole on Earth, but that's not the US's fault either...


But here's something that could be done, but don't even know if it's WITHIN Obama's power alone - force BP to pay for transportation, a wage at LEAST comparable to current unemployment benefits (imagining it'd have to pay extra for the haz-mat handling risk alone?) and lodging for every able-bodied unemployed person (hell, or college student) in the US that wants to travel to the impacted areas and help with the containment/cleanup effort on a rotational basis - until it's DONE!

US economy boosted, at least one Oil company finally eats the full bag of karmic SHIT it deserves, catastrophe not completely averted, but possibly lessened. WIN. Sounds great in theory, right?

[diamondsgirl]

That may very well be true, but you have to admit that the whole "lay off of him because he's a great guy" sentiment expressed by Macca is pretty weak. A comment like that is more of an assessment of Obama's personality than his leadership skills.

I have no doubt that Obama is a nice guy personally and I'd probably enjoy watching football at his house and cracking open a few beers.

But he's starting to leave a little something to be desired when it comes to the whole "leader of the free world" gig he charmed his way into (with a lot of help from Dubya).

And nobody's going to "lay off" while hard working families in this country are being put out in the streets while Wall Street bankers snicker as they deposit their mega-bonuses.

And they're not going to "lay off" while the entire fishing industry in the gulf grinds to a halt and even MORE hard working people get fucked as oil company executives wipe their asses with hundred dollar bills while feigning concern about the lives they crush under their feet.

But Sir Paul (aka "the 1.2 billion dollar man") doesn't have to worry about any of those things, so WE should lay off.

Because, after all, Obama is great guy.

[ELVIS]

Oil companies should eat karmic shit ??

Why, for producing the lifeblood of modern society ??


Next...

[LoungeMachine]

Oil companies should eat karmic shit ??

Why, for producing the lifeblood of modern society ??


Next...

They don't produce it.

They take it, and why should it even belong to them in the first place?



They reap huge profits, with which they buy governmental favor and protection.

[jhale667]

Oil companies should eat karmic shit ??

Why, for producing the lifeblood of modern society ??


Next...

Not even for fucking up YOUR backyard? Seek help, dude. This is yet another issue you're in denial over.

Yeah, they destroy entire Ecosystems (or damage them significantly for DECADES), reap huge profit, and as Lounge beat me to posting, they only spending on buying their way out of actually having to HAVE safety measures - you don't think THAT equals bad karma on a corporate scale?


Next indeed. Better go work on your Harmonic minor arpeggios....

[Nickdfresh]

On a side note, Sir Paul's voice was pretty shot and I cringed at his rendition of "Michelle."

[BigBadBrian]

Yeah, they destroy entire Ecosystems (or damage them significantly for DECADES), reap huge profit, and as Lounge beat me to posting, they only spending on buying their way out of actually having to HAVE safety measures - you don't think THAT equals bad karma on a corporate scale?

Yet you use their products every single day, if not hourly. We all do. Lighten up, Francis!

[chefcraig]

Yet you use their products every single day, if not hourly. We all do. Lighten up, Francis!

You raise a valid point. If there is a public outrage aimed at BP, you sure don't see it at the gas pump.

At South Florida BP stations, gas — and guilt — flow

Conflicted customers aren't happy with Gulf oil spill, but some say boycott won't help

Michael Mayo - June 5, 2010

With oil still gushing in the Gulf and foul stuff finally hitting the shores of the Florida Panhandle, you'd figure BP would be scarlet letters in the gasoline business these days. You'd figure filling stations that carry the brand's name would be about as popular as Taco Bell during an E. coli outbreak.

You'd figure wrong.

For all the talk of protests and boycotts, I saw BP stations doing boffo business across South Florida in recent days. Instead of empty pumps and chirping crickets, I found a never-ending stream of cars, trucks and SUVs.

"It's crazy — business is booming. It's actually picked up," said David Spector, a clerk at the BP station on Federal Highway and Southeast 17th Street in Fort Lauderdale. "I guess people are supporting us."

Even as some customers expressed outrage over the unstaunched spill and BP's woeful regulatory record, they kept pumping.

"I just thought to myself, 'Oh my God, I'm at a BP — I really shouldn't be here,'" said Riselda Ruiz, of Miami, as she pumped gas into her Jeep SUV after a business conference in Fort Lauderdale. "But then I thought, 'I'm already here, and I'm on empty.'"

That's the line I heard a lot over the course of two days, at stations in Boca Raton, Pompano Beach and Fort Lauderdale.

Which just goes to show that in the consumer battle between convenience and conscience, convenience usually wins.

"It kills me to give them my business, but my tank's on E," said Jose Ruiz, of Hillsboro Beach, as he filled up at the BP station on the corner of Glades Road and Butts Road in Boca Raton. "This might be the last time I come here for a while."

A few pumps away, Elizabeth Terry reluctantly fueled her Volvo for her daily commute to Jupiter. "I have pangs of guilt, because you're talking to a bleeding-heart liberal. But I've noticed that my car gets better mileage with BP. It's a nice, clean-running gas. But it's frustrating to see what's going on."

Said Kevin Thomas, of Boca Raton: "It's hard to blame the station owners, the spill isn't their fault. But they carry the product, so they're going to take a hit. That's the nature of the beast."

I couldn't reach the owners of the Boca Raton station, an outfit called Sun Gas Marketing and Petroleum, and the station manager declined to talk to me about recent business. Besides 16 fuel pumps, the station has a robust convenience store with a coffee shop and hot food. There were five employees on duty at lunchtime on Thursday.

BP owns about 100 of the brand's 900 stations across the country, with the rest independently owned and operated.

"Boycotting BP isn't going to help anyone, certainly not the station owners or their employees," said Dale Mitchell, of Tampa, as he filled his company car. "That's not the issue. To me, the issue is capping the leak."

At the Fort Lauderdale station, Paul Valcore said, "Boycott? It serves no purpose. BP is going to have to pay for the cleanup, so boycotting them wouldn't be productive. … Wherever gas is cheapest, that's where I stop."

The Glades Road location seemed to benefit because there are no other gas stations nearby.

"Let's put it this way — if there was something across the street, I'd be there right now," said Garth Friesen, of Delray Beach. "But I'm on empty, and this is the first place I saw. I felt some remorse when I saw it was a BP."

I figured business might be leaner at BP stations on streets with nearby competition. But the BP on East Copans Road in Pompano Beach and the one on Federal Highway and 17th Street weren't hurting at all when I stopped by, despite alternatives within sight.

"I had mixed feelings coming in here," said Marie Dee, of Fort Lauderdale, as she pumped $2.64-a-gallon regular unleaded into her Toyota Camry. "But this is where I usually fill up and it's cheap."

David Spector, the Fort Lauderdale station clerk, said customers haven't been rude or mouthed off as the spill drags on.

"Somebody wrote, 'Stop the leak,' on one of the pumps, but we cleaned it up," he said.

If only the Gulf were that easy.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-beach/fl-bp-spill-mayocol-b060510-20100604,0,4365438.column