If You Believe America Has Lousy Health Care, Here's Why

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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    If You Believe America Has Lousy Health Care, Here's Why

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    If you believe that Americans have lousy health care, it is probably not because you have experienced inferior heath care. It is probably because you were told America has lousy health care.

    Reuters: "U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study"

    Los Angeles Times: "U.S. is No. 1 in a key area of healthcare. Guess which one ..."

    NPR: "US Spends The Most On Health Care, Yet Gets Least"

    The Week: "US health care system: Worst in the world?"

    Now let's delve into this widely reported headline as written by Reuters.

    For those readers who rely on a headline to get news -- and we all do that sometimes -- the issue is clear: America is rated as having the worst health care "again."

    For those who read the first sentence or two, an even more common practice, the Reuters report begins this way: "Americans spend twice as much as residents of other developed countries on healthcare, but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system, according to a report released on Wednesday. The United States ranked last when compared to six other countries -- Britain, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, the Commonwealth Fund report found."

    For those reading further, the claim of the headline and of the first two sentences is reinforced. The third sentence offers commentary on the study by the head of the group that conducted it: "'As an American it just bothers me that with all of our know-how, all of our wealth, that we are not assuring that people who need healthcare can get it,' Commonwealth Fund president Karen Davis told reporters ..."

    Only later in the report does the discerning reader have a clue as to how agenda-driven this report and this study are. The otherwise unidentified Karen Davis, president of the never-identified Commonwealth Fund, is quoted as saying how important it was that America pass President Obama's health care bill.

    Could it be that Ms. Davis and the Commonwealth are leftwing?

    They sure are, though Reuters, which is also on the Left, never lets you know.

    Here's how the Commonwealth Fund's 2009 Report from the president begins: "The Commonwealth Fund marshaled its resources this year to produce timely and rigorous work that helped lay the groundwork for the historic Affordable Care Act, signed by President Obama in March 2010."

    As for Davis, she served as deputy assistant secretary for health policy in the Department of Health and Human Services in the Jimmy Carter administration all four years of the Carter presidency. And in 1993, in speaking to new members of Congress, she advocated a single-payer approach to health care.

    I could not find any mainstream news report about this story that identified the politics of Karen Davis or the Commonwealth Fund. If they had, the headlines would have looked something like this:

    "Liberal think tank, headed by single-payer advocate, ObamaCare activist, and former Carter official, says America has worst health care"

    Conversely, imagine if a conservative think tank had released a study showing that, in general, Americans had the best health care in the world. Two questions: Would the media have reported it? And if they did, would they have neglected to report that the think tank was conservative? The answer is no to both.

    In microcosm, we have here four major developments of the last 50 years:

    1. The Left dominates the news media in America; and around the world, leftwing media are almost the only news media.

    2. The media report most news in the light of their Leftwing values (whether consciously or not).

    3. Most people understandably believe what they read, watch or listen to.

    4. This is a major reason most people on the Left are on the Left. They have been given a lifetime of leftist perceptions of the world (especially when one includes higher education) and therefore regard what they believe about the world as reality rather than as a leftwing perception of reality.

    The same thing happened on a far larger scale in 2000 when the world press reported that the United Nations World Health Organization (WHO) ranked America 37th in health care behind such countries as Morocco, Costa Rica, Colombia and Greece.

    This WHO assessment was reported throughout the world and regularly cited by leftwing critics of American health care. Yet, to the best of my knowledge, no one other than a few conservatives noted that Cuba was ranked 39th, essentially tied with the United States.

    Which means that the WHO report is essentially a fraud. Who in his right mind thinks Americans and Cubans have equivalent levels of health care? For that matter, how many world leaders travel to Greece or Morocco instead of to the United States for health care?

    The answer is that WHO doesn't assess health care quality; it assesses health care equality, exactly the way any organization on the Left assesses it. And since the world's and America's news media are on the Left, they report a Leftist bogus assessment of American health care as true.

    Imagine this headline around the world: "World Health Organization declares America and Cuba tied in health care."

    Of course, only Leftists would believe that. But since non-Leftists would realize how absurd the claim was, that is not what anyone was told. Instead, the world and American media all announced "America rated 37th in health care by World Health Organization."

    These two reports illustrate why so many people in America and around the world think America's health care is inferior and why they support movement toward nationalized health care.

    But these two reports are only one example of the larger problem -- the world thinking is morally confused because it is informed by the morally confused. How else explain, for example, why America, the greatest force for good among nations, is hated, while China, never a force for good, isn't?

    The answer is, unfortunately, simple: Garbage in, garbage out.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    #2
    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    ...but get lower quality, less efficiency and have the least equitable system
    Yeah right. I'll take the care here over anywhere, including Britains system that lets old people die as a cost savings, Canada's that requires a six month wait for a CT Scan, or France's that let most of their healthcare workers take vacation in August. Remember several years ago the heatwave across Europe that killed 11,000-15,000 oldies in France...all because the hospitals didn't have the staff...they were all on 'holiday.'

    I've seen some of the shitholes that pass for hospitals in other countries that supposedly have better systems than ours. Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break!

    Our system isn't perfect mind you and it will need alot more 'reform' after Barry gets done with it.

    BTW, thank you to Elvis and Sarge and the other healthcare workers on this board for what they do.
    Last edited by BigBadBrian; 06-29-2010, 07:17 AM. Reason: typo
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    • Hardrock69
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Feb 2005
      • 21897

      #3
      We don't have 'lousy' healthcare, we have lousy and bloated health administration, and our healthcare is too expensive for the service we get.

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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35755

        #4
        As well as a few lousy bloated thread starters...

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35755

          #5
          Originally posted by BigBadBrian
          BTW, thank you to Elvis and Sarge and the other healthcare workers on this board for what they do.
          That's pretty ironic.

          Sarge works for an entirely state run state owned free healthcare provider and whatever Elvis does its not exactly his vocation since he says is looking for a job cleaning up the BP spill.

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          • Hardrock69
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Feb 2005
            • 21897

            #6
            Originally posted by Seshmeister
            As well as a few lousy bloated thread starters...

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            • binnie
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • May 2006
              • 19145

              #7
              So its all a conspiracy?

              Are there any figures produced by non 'left' people regarding US healthcare spending/services/life expectancy that refutes the data produced by the lefties?

              I'm not being a dick, I'm seriously interested.
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              • Hardrock69
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Feb 2005
                • 21897

                #8
                Sure.

                Is your healthcare cheap?

                No?

                I thought not.

                Those are all the figures I need to know.

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                • BigBadBrian
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10625

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Seshmeister
                  That's pretty ironic.

                  Sarge works for an entirely state run state owned free healthcare provider
                  That's not the same as your way-too-expensive socialized medicine.

                  It's the United States Army, a military force, like most others throughout history, that provides care to its people.

                  People on this board need to learn the difference between socialism and the services a government, any government, needs to provide.

                  Try again.
                  “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49567

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                    That's not the same as your way-too-expensive socialized medicine.

                    It's the United States Army, a military force, like most others throughout history, that provides care to its people.

                    People on this board need to learn the difference between socialism and the services a government, any government, needs to provide.

                    Try again.
                    Actually, I think YOU fucking need to learn the difference between the services and regulations a gov't must provide and actual socialism...

                    By the stilted definitions teabaggers give to "socialism," many already enjoy socialist Medicare and Medicaid!

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35755

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      People on this board need to learn the difference between socialism and the services a government, any government, needs to provide.
                      You first.

                      A government needs to provide hundreds of thousands of troops to sit in massive bases all over the world but doesn't need to provide a basic level of healthcare to the sick and poor?

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                      • sadaist
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 11625

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hardrock69
                        We don't have 'lousy' healthcare, we have lousy and bloated health administration, and our healthcare is too expensive for the service we get.

                        Spot on.

                        The care, doctors, facilities, advancements, treatments, etc...in the US are the best anywhere in the world. By far. The problem is the bureaucratic red tape, costs, and being able to assist poor people.
                        “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35755

                          #13
                          The insurance companies skim over a third off the top of all the money spent.

                          Either Brian's brain problems are spreading or his family work in the insurance industry.

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                          • Kristy
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 16747

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                            NPR: "US Spends The Most On Health Care, Yet Gets Least"
                            Ooh, a lot of unfounded paranoia on this article. As for the wet liberal pseudo-journalism that is NPR - just what are they basing this headline on?

                            If they took the time to realize why the US spends so much on health care they find out that lawyers run the show and hospitals (on patient care treatment) have huge liability coverages. Even doctors fresh out of med school pay more for malpractice than they do for golf games. Plus there is the case of hospital theft where patients will steal just about anything they can grab which ends up costing a hospital millions out of their budget that would otherwise go into keeping cost down. And gets "least" what? No treatment for what emergency rooms call "frequent fliers" who are people with no insurance whatsoever knowing that that hospital will receive absolutely no compensation for their time? You may be able to pull that off in "socialized medicine countries" but not as long as you can do here.

                            I highly doubt NPR has seen health care in places like Canada or Mexico -- especially Mexico where the conditions are appalling: rusted beds, malfunctioning equipment, treatment given by unaccredited doctors and yet there is little if any complaints because where else can the population go in the most poorest areas for a condition?

                            The US is anything but last in health care. The hospital my roommate works at told me their new state-of-the-art operating room cost over $60 million to install. Sixty motherfucking million! And even that is considered low end. Now compare that to a shanty town health systems in rural Africa or anywhere in the third world where if you get an infection due to a pathogen you're pretty much fucked. So again, "least" what? Deaths?

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                            • Jagermeister
                              Full Member Status

                              • Apr 2010
                              • 4510

                              #15
                              I'm still trying to figure out how Obama care is helping me. My fucking insurance premiums are going AP 20% on renewing. My wife is stressed the fuck out and so am I.

                              Thanks for your help on this ABM. I really appreciate that shit.

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