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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32942

    #31
    Originally posted by ELVIS
    The unions have been part of the problem for decades...
    I'm not a fan of the NEA and hate them getting an Obamacare exemption but my aunt and uncle were educators and worked for the NEA. My uncle said the biggest problem in education today is the parents. My aunt taught math and saw the situation in the home getting worse and worse and she was getting tired of getting blamed for a student not doing their homework and not learning. The Republicans use the NEA as a scape goat but even if we did away with the NEA, education would still suck because too many parents aren't involved in the process which includes making their kid do their homework and pushing them to excel and not just be mediocre. It's a social problem more than a government problem and government isn't going to fix shit.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Seshmeister
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Oct 2003
      • 35755

      #32
      Originally posted by ELVIS
      The unions have been part of the problem for decades...
      It's incredibly unusual and difficult to sack a teacher.



      On January 10, 2011, the Mount Vernon City Schools Board of Education voted 4-1 to terminate the employment of John Freshwater. A middle school science teacher in Mount Vernon, Ohio, Freshwater was accused of inappropriate religious activity in the classroom — including displaying posters with the Ten Commandments and Bible verses, branding crosses on the arms of his students with a high-voltage electrical device, and teaching creationism. After a local family sued Freshwater and the district in 2008, the board voted to begin proceedings to terminate his employment in the district. Finally, after administrative hearings that proceeded sporadically over two years, the referee presiding over the hearings issued his recommendation that the board terminate his employment with the district.

      Margie Bennett, the president of the board, told the Mount Vernon News (January 11, 2011), "The decision has been made to accept the referee’s recommendation to terminate the employment of Mr. Freshwater ... It was not an easy decision. We don’t believe there are any winners or losers in this situation. It is a very difficult situation for everyone. We are glad it has been resolved. Hopefully we can put this behind us, the community can begin to come together again and relationships can heal and we can move forward." The News added, "Freshwater, by law, may file an appeal with the Knox County Court of Common Pleas." The Associated Press (January 11, 2011) reports Freshwater as expressing disappointment in the board's decision but not indicating whether he would appeal.

      In its report on the board's decision, the Columbus Dispatch (January 11, 2011) emphasized the remarkable length and cost of the hearings — "among the most costly and lengthy that education experts can recall." Allowing teachers on the verge of termination to have a hearing "protects teachers," the Dispatch explained, "and also discourages districts from keeping rogue teachers in less-sensitive positions." With regard to the Freshwater case, however, Rick Lewis, the executive director of the Ohio School Boards Association, commented, "It's sad that they had to spend all that money to do what they thought was right all along." (The cost to the board of conducting the hearings was reportedly $902,765, the bulk of which — at least $813,628 — was for the board's legal counsel.)

      If it takes a million dollars and two years to sack a retarded teacher who brands a cross onto pupils...

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59652

        #33
        Originally posted by ELVIS
        The unions have been part of the problem for decades...
        That's exactly what KKKarl Rove said on FAUX yesterday.

        Shittyzens United arguably took the restrictions off of union contributions to politics just as it did corporate contributions. Of course the reality of that is that no union on earth has the financial resources of a mega corporation. But that's not good enough for KKKarl and the KKKoch Brothers. They want the unions busted completely, and that is exactly what is behind these stunts from teabagging governors like Walker and that other piece of shit in New Jersey.

        Unions are NOT the problem, they are part of the solution, and the decline of the unions over the last 30 years, due to predatory capitalism and outsourcing is no coincidence.
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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          #34
          Originally posted by Seshmeister
          It's incredibly unusual and difficult to sack a teacher.
          Or a union healthcare worker...

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          • ELVIS
            Banned
            • Dec 2003
            • 44120

            #35
            Originally posted by FORD
            That's exactly what KKKarl Rove said on FAUX yesterday.

            Shittyzens United arguably took the restrictions off of union contributions to politics just as it did corporate contributions. Of course the reality of that is that no union on earth has the financial resources of a mega corporation. But that's not good enough for KKKarl and the KKKoch Brothers. They want the unions busted completely, and that is exactly what is behind these stunts from teabagging governors like Walker and that other piece of shit in New Jersey.

            Unions are NOT the problem, they are part of the solution, and the decline of the unions over the last 30 years, due to predatory capitalism and outsourcing is no coincidence.
            LMAO! Literally...

            That's the largest pile of steaming shit i've read in quite a long time...

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            • SilvioDante
              Head Fluffer
              • Jan 2004
              • 484

              #36
              Originally posted by FORD
              Of course the reality of that is that no union on earth has the financial resources of a mega corporation.
              Seriously, did you just say that?? That is a joke right???
              "Don't try to confuse the issue with half truths and gorilla dust." - Bill NcNeal

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59652

                #37
                What union can compete with Exxon, BP, the KKKoch Brothers or United Health Care?
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                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • chefcraig
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 12172

                  #38
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  What union can compete with Exxon, BP, the KKKoch Brothers or United Health Care?
                  The NFL Players Association. No doubt that they are in much better shape than a bunch of executives.









                  “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                  ― Stephen Hawking

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                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32942

                    #39
                    The Unions have just become another corporation that's in bed with the government. It's another tool to control people in a herd and steal their money. Notice how the government is giving all these unions exemptions on taxes. That should raise a red flag of alarm right there.

                    The US Government is just repeating what Mussolini did in Italy. It's just consolidating the unions into it's fascist scheme.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59652

                      #40
                      Originally posted by chefcraig
                      The NFL Players Association. No doubt that they are in much better shape than a bunch of executives.
                      And yet the next football season is in jeopardy due to the rich pig owners forcing a lockout.
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                      • chefcraig
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 12172

                        #41
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        And yet the next football season is in jeopardy due to the rich pig owners forcing a lockout.
                        So what? You asked what union could compete with Exxon, BP, ect. With the possible exception of hockey, I'd be willing to bet any sports union could take on and beat a bunch of out of shape executroids, any day of the week.









                        “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                        ― Stephen Hawking

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                        • Guitar Shark
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7579

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Nitro Express
                          The Unions have just become another corporation that's in bed with the government. It's another tool to control people in a herd and steal their money. Notice how the government is giving all these unions exemptions on taxes. That should raise a red flag of alarm right there.
                          Do you have text on your clipboard that you just copy and paste over and over? Or do you actually type it out each time?
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                          Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                          Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                          • chefcraig
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 12172

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                            Do you have text on your clipboard that you just copy and paste over and over? Or do you actually type it out each time?
                            Neither. These little insights are printed on a roll of toilet paper, which when used up reveals the following message...










                            “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                            ― Stephen Hawking

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 59652

                              #44
                              Originally posted by chefcraig
                              So what? You asked what union could compete with Exxon, BP, ect. With the possible exception of hockey, I'd be willing to bet any sports union could take on and beat a bunch of out of shape executroids, any day of the week.
                              You certainly can't say the MLB players union are worse than George Steinbrenner (B.I.H.)

                              And while professional athletes are probably the best paid union employees on the planet, they still make less than their corporate employers (with the possible exception of the Packers)
                              Eat Us And Smile

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                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                              • FORD
                                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                                • Jan 2004
                                • 59652

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                                Do you have text on your clipboard that you just copy and paste over and over? Or do you actually type it out each time?
                                Copy and paste from www.glennbeckkkluncacy.com maybe?
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                                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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