Rumsfeld: Building What?

[Seshmeister]

Exploding Israeli paint....

Jesus suffering a unicycle enema do these people ever take a step back and listen to themselves...?

[ELVIS]

My favourite this week was from Elvis/Fox of Hezbollah terrorists burrowing in under the soil from Mexico...

I don't watch Fox, I saw it online somewhere..

[Nitro Express]

What thermite? The stuff the Jones conman found.

Even if there was so fuck? Big fuck? Who gives a fuck?

Why wouldn't there be thermite? You get it from torch cutting which is what happened at ground zero.



No it doesn't. Stop being so bloody silly with this sub James Bond fantasy and check your sources.

What sources? Fox News? Thermite burns white hot. It was used to ruin German guns at Normandy. Steel is cut with oxygen/acetylene torches or plasma cutters. Thermite is a mix of chemicals. Nano thermite is something different than regular thermite.



Of course the mainstream new sources aren't going to cover this.

[ELVIS]

The more these people clamp down the more they expose themselves. It's pretty obvious the Republican Party is bought and paid for and they are going to throw the fight. Ron Paul would run as an independent but he can't get on all the ballots. The big parties have that access controlled. I don't know if Ron Paul should even mess with the Republicans. Maybe he should team up with Nader because Nader has a huge organization that can get on a majority of the ballots. That fight will go on but the states are calling the Feds out as well. Even if Obama wins this next election half or more of the states are going to tell him to fuck himself. We are also five states away from a constitutional convention and if that happens all this crap gets tossed. A huge percent of the voting public has woken up and we see the game is rigged big time.

Yeah, but there's still way to many people watching Jersey Shore and not paying attention at all...

An independent will win someday, bot not in 2012...

[Seshmeister]

Of course the mainstream new sources aren't going to cover this.

Yeah because it's fucking garbage so not news.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah, but there's still way to many people watching Jersey Shore and not paying attention at all...

An independent will win someday, bot not in 2012...

If Obama wins a second election the states will stonewall him. Then if he wants to get nasty, we will see how much of the military will actually follow their orders. Oh sure they can send in some mercinary shit heads but good luck when over half the states don't recognize you power and the House of Representatives call the sargent of arms for your arrest.

I think it's going to be like Egypt but organized at the state level and bigger. Plus, the rest of the world is tired of the shit going on and are waiting for the US to clean house.

[Seshmeister]

There is no such thing as 'nano thermite'.

Niels Harrit is a fucking fruitcake or just another person making money out of terrorist murder.

100 tons of explosive? Do you even listen to this fucking crap?

[hambon4lif]

Chicago was better off when Al Capone ran it. He just killed other gangsters and provided a product the public wanted. He even ran soup kitchens. Rahm would steal the soup.

Besides that, anyone in Chicago politics that's missing a middle finger would be ineffective and of no use to us.

It's how we communicate.

It's how we roll.

[Seshmeister]

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/final-word-on-niels-harrit-nanothermite.html

Various evidence against the idiot from the video.

This post there is interesting and just another of the thousands of accounts of people involved on the day that truthers have to ignore but a new thing for me was I never thought of all the dogs...

I am owner and trainer of a K9 training and deployment company in FL. We have been breeding, training and deploying our purpose bred explosive detection and SAR dogs for over 40 years as well as training K9's for the Military, LE and private industry.

In addition we are a FEMA Incident Response Team/First Responder K9 unit for FEMA Task Force II, Miami.

It was in the latter capacity that we were went to NY on 9/11 as part of the FL Task Force, arriving on scene about 3 1/2 hours after the second tower fell. We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection. In addition, of the over 300 K9 teams that came from all over the world, there were more than 70 other EDD K9's present on site. This is on top of the 6 full time EDD dogs employed full time at the WTC site, 3 of which I had trained personally. Besides the presence of the normal team that patrolled in shifts 24/7, there had been an ADDITIONAL team of 16 explosives interdiction K9's on duty for several weeks prior to the attack. They were there in response to bomb threats against the center (unrelated) and had only been removed 5 days prior to the attack. 6 of those dogs were also trained by our company.

No explosives or incendiary devices were planted anywhere in that complex. None. Our dogs and the other EDD K9's would have alerted after the fact as well. It's what they are trained for. We staged for the two weeks we were there at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. This is where much of the structural steel was brought. Despite rumors to the contrary, chain of custody was maintained and virtually all of the steel was cataloged and vital pieces were inspected. Not a single dog ever alerted to the presence of either explosives or incendiary residue.
Not one.

Two K9's were lost at 9/11 and dozens more injured. One was our lead dog and the other was one of our trainees, EDD dog "Sirius".

Sirius was K9 Officer #17 of the Port Authority Police Dept. He had just finished his rounds with his handler, David Lim on the morning of the attack. When the first plan hit David placed him in his Kennel in the basement of Tower II while he investigated what had happened. He was still there when the tower came down.

Our dog "Ali'i" was lost on Sept 13th while attempting to find a way through the tunnels under building 6 into the subway system under the complex. He was carrying a video pack and VA radio and was trapped when 6 suffered a partial collapse from fire. It wasn't until the following Dec that 6 was pulled down and the basement of Tower II was cleared to the point where the body of Sirius was found. They had a full memorial service for him. Ali'i was never found.

I'm not a scientist, but I am an expert on explosives/incendiaries, their use and detection bothbefore andafter detonation. I've testified as an expert witness more than 70 times at court proceedings on explosives detection, K9 training protocol and K9 scent differrention capability.

No explosives or incendiaries were present at the Trade Center on 9/11.

Thermite has never been used in demolition, ever. It has been used occasionally in clean up, but never as an instigator for controlled demolition.

The procces of controlled demolition itself is one that takes many weeks to prepare. the buildings undergo extensive preparations, and the demolitions are painstakenly placed in strategic positions. Remember also that 6 full time explosive detection dogs were on 24 hour patrol in shifts, 7 days a week. In addition, until just 5 days before, 16 additional dogs were working the Center in response to bomb threats from two weeks prior to that.

Walls are ripped apart and knocked down, beams are cut, holes are bored, wires are run to detonators. Here is a description of the work needed to take down a much smaller, 33 story building, the J.L. Hudson Department Store in Detroit. It was the largest (by square footage) building to be imploded at the time of 9/11. Keep in mind, this is just the amount of time needed to emplace the explosives, not to prepare the building in the first place:

Controlled demolitions Inc.
J.L. Hudson Department Store - Detroit, Michigan

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=6&reqItemId=20020304145120

"...In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 “primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum..."

Before the placement started, more than a month of "prep" was involved that included removal of non load bearing walls, exposure of structural beams and stripping of all internal walls and supports.

I guess no one at the WTC noticed all that work going on.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah because it's fucking garbage so not news.

It doesn't really matter if 9/11 was an inside job or not. What matters is all the fraud that has been done in the name of it. The thing is, all these frauds seemed to be already organized and ready to go right after it happened. Homeland Security is a very vast and complicated organization. It would take a long time to get that all put together but Bush seemed to slam it together no problem. Hmmmmm. I think someone knew something.

People like us aren't going to get all the facts because they don't want us to see them. Was thermite really used? Who knows but look at the bigger picture and all the fraud. Use some common sense. Maybe it was just airplanes but who was really behind it and look at Bin Laden's background and his family ties. I'm not buying it was just a bunch of random terrorists.

What's scary is some of these crazy theories seem more plausable as time goes on. Also, if you really know something, where do you go to get things out? Wikileaks? Alex Jones? Russia Today? I mean it's got to come out of a pretty weird source out of necessity. So you have bullshit to make money, you have bullshit used as disinfo, you have rumor bullshit. There really aren't any good sources anymore so all we can do is look at everything wholisticaly, look for patterns and boil it down so some conclusion. Even the scientists are being bought off because no research happens without funding. So the money men control the whole enchalada. Once you control the mainstream media and science research, you got the world by the balls.

[Seshmeister]

It doesn't really matter if 9/11 was an inside job or not.

Ok you have lost me and anyone who has even a vague grip on reality in your first sentence.

It doesn't matter whether the US government deliberately murdered thousands of it's own people?

[Seshmeister]

Was thermite really used? Who knows but look at the bigger picture and all the fraud. Use some common sense.

I know and it wasn't.

Truthers are the opposite of common sense.

Just because 9-11 was used to justify actions that suited the Bush administration has nothing to do with what caused 9-11.

[Nitro Express]

Ok you have lost me and anyone who has even a vague grip on reality in your first sentence.

It doesn't matter whether the US government deliberately murdered thousands of it's own people?

It doesn't matter because not enough people agree on that to come to a solid conclusion so let's bypass that and look at what the government has done because that incident happened. We can debate thermite, Bin Laden CIA connections and all that until we are blue in the face. It's a great red herring. Meanwhile the US government has murdered far more people than ever died on 9/11 and unless we can convince enough people to change the over all picture we will never prove what exactly happened on that day and whether it was an inside job or not. So in the whole strategic purpose right now, it does not matter. It becomes more a red herring distraction than a solution to the overall problem. The main problem stopping a rogue government running wild with the world's largest military and busting the treasury in the process. Once we get the government under control, then we can look at 9/11 and see what really happened there.

[Seshmeister]

It doesn't matter because not enough people agree on that to come to a solid conclusion so let's bypass that and look at what the government has done because that incident happened.

No lets not.

Not enough people agree? What does that mean?

You have Steve Jones and a couple of other people writing fake papers and having them published in Pakistan vanity journals with fake evidence and then saying that this is science and on the other hand you have science.

Just because there are some people being misled or misleading is completely irrelevant as to whether something is true or not.

20% of Americans think that the Sun revolves around the Earth. 20 fucking percent. Don't tell me a bunch of people believing some shit means anything.

These conspiracy theories are NOT true end of argument.

[Nitro Express]

Historically, pyrotechnic or explosive applications for traditional thermites have been limited due to their relatively slow energy release rates. But because nanothermites are created from reactant particles with proximities approaching the atomic scale, energy release rates are far improved.[2]
MICs or Super-thermites are generally developed for military use, propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics. Because of their highly increased reaction rate, nanosized thermitic materials are being researched by the U.S. military with the aim of developing new types of bombs that are several times more powerful than conventional explosives.[3] Nanoenergetic materials can store higher amounts of energy than conventional energetic materials and can be used in innovative ways to tailor the release of this energy. Thermobaric weapons are considered to be a promising application of nanoenergetic materials. Research into military applications of nano-sized materials began in the early 1990s.[4]

What some people are saying is those buildings fell too fast. Something had to cut the steel. Then there apparently were beams cut clean. Then information on this new kind of thermite comes out in the open. It can be detonated remotely so you don't have all the wires and such. Was it really used. Who knows and of course it could be disifo to run everyone around in circles. You have this expert and that expert but unless you are an expert yourself and was there to see it for real, I guess you don't know.

It's like the Kennedy assassination. We all know there was more to it than the Warren Commission concluded and the country changed for the worst because of it. 9/11 is the same kind of deal. It's pretty obvious the US political system has been hijacked by international bankers and corporations who are using our military for their own gains. So blood, carnage, and robbery will continue until we can drive the assholes out.