'Farenheit 9/11'...wow

**FORD** · 07-11-2004, 11:09 PM

Re: 'Farenheit 9/11'...wow

Originally posted by Daves PA rental
Saw it yesterday...

some thoughts...

Why weave such a tangled web with the Saudis? Is anyone really that smart to pull off such a caper over so many years, involving so many people?

It's not really that many people, since the BCE has been behind every Republican administration since WWII.

The way the BCE was shown to be getting their makeup ready...as if waiting for their cue on 9/11...didnt like that...FORD, there is NO WAY the attacks were planned by ANY American...

I think you might be reading too much into that one. The makeup scene was the opening credits of the movie. The BCE were the main "actors" in this movie, so Moore showed them getting ready for their parts, so to speak. I don't know if any of the makeup scenes actually took place on 9-11-01, nor does Moore imply they did. Junior's makeup scene though, DOES have significance.... I'd seen that one before and it was from March 19, 2003. Right before he announced the invasion of Iraq.

The way that the soldiers were painted as doofus killing machines...didnt like that either. That is basically what they are trained for. Shame on Michael Moore for using those soldiers as a vehicle for his agenda.

Moore makes his feelings about the soldiers very clear at the end of the movie. If anyone has used the soldiers for an agenda, it's the BCE and PNAC. The US military should only be used to defend the United States of America, and Iraq was NEVER a threat to this country.

After thinking about it for a while, I dont feel alot of sympathy for the mother of the soldier (toward the end of the movie)...she lived by the sword, and her son died by it. Why didnt she march on Washington BEFORE her son got killed?

Because she bought the lie. The lie that the BCE puts out there. The lie that is repeated ad nausuem by the corporate media. And that's the lie that Iraq was a threat to this country. An acquaintance of mine whose son just returned from Afghanistan has had nothing but negative comments about the movie, Michael Moore, war protestors, etc. She too, has bought into the lie. Perhaps military families are more accepting of it because they have to rationalize to themselves why their children are on the other side of the planet, fighting a war that has NOTHING to do with the United States. I don't think I could ever delude myself like that.

The BCE has abused the trust of these families, these soldiers, and the entire fucking country by sending thousands of them into a country that did nothing to us, and who ain't exactly happy to be invaded. And it's the BCE who needs to be blamed for that. Not protestors, not families, not Michael Moore.

With all my criticisms of the movie, I think Moore might really have something there. I still left the theatre speechless...feeling like I had a big sign on my forehead that said "SUCKER". The Bush's stole the election, then invaded a sovereign nation. Tomorrow I am going to my town hall and double and triple check that I am registered to vote.

And make sure everyone else you know is too :D

**Big Train** · 07-12-2004, 03:05 AM

The BCE were the main "actors" in this movie, so Moore showed them getting ready for their parts, so to speak."

Ford, you said it better than any of us "Sheep" ever could.

The movie is complete load of horseshit. Make sure you are ready to vote for sure, but don't let this load of monkeyshit called a documentary be the ONLY thing you base your decision on.

**Dave's PA Rental** · 07-12-2004, 11:24 AM

Big Train...make up your mind...is it 'horseshit', or is it 'monkeyshit'?

Could you back up those claims with specific examples of how Moore is wrong?

Did you see the movie?

I got quite a chuckle when the movie reminded me that John Ashcroft got beat in an election by a dead guy.

**Dave's PA Rental** · 07-12-2004, 11:26 AM

"Iraq was NEVER a threat to this country."

In my gut I know that this is not true. Just like in my gut I know that the Bush's stole the election.

**Dave's PA Rental** · 07-12-2004, 11:36 AM

"The BCE were the main "actors" in this movie, so Moore showed them getting ready for their parts, so to speak. I don't know if any of the makeup scenes actually took place on 9-11-01, nor does Moore imply they did. "

I think that he very much DOES imply it just by the makeup scenes being where they are. The makeup scenes were just prior to the black screen 9/11 part.

About the Bin Laden family getting planes to take them back to Saudi Arabia...

The way that I remember it was that the special planes DID have to wait until the FAA re-opened US airspace...Moore implies that they all got whisked away on 9/11 or 9/12...at least that what I got from the movie...

And I remember that the media DID report on it...Osama's sister or female cousin (or something) was living near Harvard, so the local Boston media was all over it.

**lucky wilbury** · 07-12-2004, 12:09 PM

a bunch of them were here in massachussetts. one of them used to fly planes on base. went to harvard too. i'll bump a thread that debunks the movie

**Big Train** · 07-12-2004, 01:50 PM

Where do I start (and no I can't make up my mind whether it is horseshit or monkeyshit)??

Lets just see:

1. asking a preposterous question to senators: would you SEND your sons/daughters off to war? There is no draft, Nobody son or daughter HAS to go.

2. The UTTER AND COMPLETE lack of acknowledgement of the people of Iraq's joy at the fall of Saddam Hussein. You would think Iraq was a teeming paradise according to Moore.

3. Complete and utter distortions about the Caryle Group and the Bushes involvement in it (read the Newsweek article in the other thread), as well as the Saudi Investment in the US.

4. The banter in the satellite feeds paints the so called BCE as buffons. Do you REALLY and I mean REALLY, think that Clinton doesnt have footage laying around like that? Joking after saying an important soundbite? Fucking cmon, let's not forget how much tang he was fitting into his schedule.

5. The way he uses the mother, who knew full well what her son was getting into. Playing on personal pain of others is a Moore signature and it disgusts me.

Yes, I saw the movie (everyone who is Pro-Moore, this is one of their favorite questions). I saw it, saw him trivialize men and women who work on behalf of us and promote his own easy-bake editing created agenda.

**Dave's PA Rental** · 07-12-2004, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Big Train
Where do I start (and no I can't make up my mind whether it is horseshit or monkeyshit)??

Lets just see:

1. asking a preposterous question to senators: would you SEND your sons/daughters off to war? There is no draft, Nobody son or daughter HAS to go.

2. The UTTER AND COMPLETE lack of acknowledgement of the people of Iraq's joy at the fall of Saddam Hussein. You would think Iraq was a teeming paradise according to Moore.

3. Complete and utter distortions about the Caryle Group and the Bushes involvement in it (read the Newsweek article in the other thread), as well as the Saudi Investment in the US.

4. The banter in the satellite feeds paints the so called BCE as buffons. Do you REALLY and I mean REALLY, think that Clinton doesnt have footage laying around like that? Joking after saying an important soundbite? Fucking cmon, let's not forget how much tang he was fitting into his schedule.

5. The way he uses the mother, who knew full well what her son was getting into. Playing on personal pain of others is a Moore signature and it disgusts me.

Yes, I saw the movie (everyone who is Pro-Moore, this is one of their favorite questions). I saw it, saw him trivialize men and women who work on behalf of us and promote his own easy-bake editing created agenda.

#1. I agree. Very gimmicky. Since the Roman Empire the elite (rich) have not had to send their sons or daughters off to war. Including the Bush's.

#2. Do you know any Iraqi's? I think that in the long run they will be happier, but lack of manpower to prevent the looting and anarchy that followed the fall of Baghdad made some of them hate us even more.

#3. I didnt read the Newsweek article you mentioned...does it explain why they blacked out the name of the guy on Bush's military record that links his family to the Saudi royal family via the Carlyle group? (I have to admit, I got a little lost during that part of the movie...)

#4. I think that anyone who has a bit of a clue knows that the satelite feed 'banter' is all contextual, and of course there must be reels of that type from Clinton. And the golf course stuff.

#5. I already addressed the 'Mother' part.

You dont have to like Moore, but to disregard the issues that he raises because you dont agree with his movie-making style...well to me that is taking the easy way out of a debate that history might tell us someday that you lost.

**frets5150** · 07-12-2004, 02:41 PM

wtc tell me how a hole so small can be made by this plane the truth will come out

**frets5150** · 07-12-2004, 02:47 PM

MORE http://members.fortunecity.com/911/w...explosions.htm

**lucky wilbury** · 07-12-2004, 03:12 PM

check the other thread on this

**Ally_Kat** · 07-12-2004, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by frets5150
MORE http://members.fortunecity.com/911/w...explosions.htm

from the site --

You have to realize that most of the top section had not been affected by the aircraft strike or fires and was thus still the same immensely strong structure that had supported the building for some 30 years. If this section was going to fall at all, this section would fall as one piece (like a tree in the forest). Unless, of course, this section had been laced with explosives and was undergoing a controlled demolition of its own, just a few moments before the lower part of the building was demolished.

This author obviously has never played jenga

**FORD** · 07-12-2004, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Daves PA rental

#3. I didnt read the Newsweek article you mentioned...does it explain why they blacked out the name of the guy on Bush's military record that links his family to the Saudi royal family via the Carlyle group? (I have to admit, I got a little lost during that part of the movie...)

Junior and James Bath were "grounded" by the Texas ANG at the same time for their refusal to take a physical (Hence Junior's "theme music" - by Eric Clapton- while the papers were being shown on screen)

Bath was the same guy who would later invest billions in American companies on the behalf of the Bin Laden family. Junior's first company, Arbusto Energy, was financed with Salem Bin Laden's money. Obviously, this is a fact that the BCE would rather keep out of the press. Along with the fact that the elder Bin Laden brother, known to be an excellent pilot, died in a mysterious crash when his plane took a sharp turn into high voltage powerlines immediately after takeoff.

Another interesting sidenote - the BCE used "Arbusto" as the name for Junior's company mistakenly thinking the word was Spanish for "Bush". However, the actual translation of the word is "Shrub". :D

**Big Train** · 07-12-2004, 03:49 PM

Dave,

The Newsweek article doesn't explain why that happened. Perhaps it is simpler than people give credence for. Perhaps the guy just didn't want to get involved. Was he Bushes crony, probably..it's like that all across Washington, dig into ANYONE and you'll find that. People come up together. I know I wouldn't want MY name on that piece of paper, having Micahel Moore show up on my door. Well, maybe I would, so I could punch his fat face.

I don't know any Iraqui's, but I know what I saw on TV, on every channel, not just Fox News. They have a tough road ahead, anyway you slice it, but at least now they have a chance. If they hate us, it is misdirected and unfortunate. To completely fail to acknowledge our liberating of that people is off the charts selective editing.

The Newsweek debunks the "we let them fly out of the country" myth as well as "the Bushes are profiting from this". Check it out.

I could appreciate Moore much better if he were to just raise the questions without weaving his bizarre "plot points" to connect together, removing facts selectively. What is hilarious and hypocritical about him is in both "Bowling for Columbine" and "F911" he brings up the concept of fear and consumption (In this case, the evil secret government). Yet, what does this man sell? OUt of context facts and photos and allegations about our leaders in a time of national crisis.

Seems he has learned his own lessons very well..

'Farenheit 9/11'...wow

'Farenheit 9/11'...wow

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