Are you for, or against the death penalty?

[FORD]

[Seshmeister]

I know that more black people get executed but surely they could have found 2 cases that were more similar?

[FORD]

Well, I would say that hitting someone in the face with a paint can, then bashing his head in with a crowbar is arguably worse than shooting someone, so you would think that guy would be more likely, not less likely to be executed, if it was all about the crime committed and not about the race of the accused.

Of course the fact that Davis was also accused of shooting a cop probably factored into it. It's actually surprising that he made it to trial at all, since more often than not, the cops usually enact their own form of "justice" against cop killer suspects, who rarely remain alive as far as the arrest, let alone a court date.

[Seshmeister]

In the Crowe case he knew the victim, could claim to have been incapacitated by drugs, pled guilty and as you said it wasn't a cop.

The pleading guilty thing is particularly nasty if you are actually innocent. Many parole systems don't let you out until you say you are sorry for what you did which sometimes keeps innocent people in for longer than those that actually got convicted of something they did.

[BigBadBrian]

I'm totally for it. I feel we're way too soft on crime. The death penalty should be used for crimes other than murder as well.

Yeah, like rape. I can't think of a more heinous crime you could commit against a woman.

[FORD]

Is the sentiment which you are expressing there any less morally objectionable than the illegal war in Iraq?

Wasn't part of the Bush/Blair argument that Saddam was a 'bad guy' therefore it is OK to invade his country?

Well, the alternative would be to take the Biblical approach (as quoted from JC Himself) and hang millstones around their necks and drown them at sea.

Though millstones are probably pretty expensive now, so they probably wouldn't be able to budget for them.

[binnie]

My point is that saying that you would willingly kill - or allow someone else to kill - another human being, regardless of what they have done, means that you are not that far removed from them.

The law should not be about vengence: it degrades all of us if it is.

[Blaze]

Ford,
I noticed that you expect prisoners to be an inclusive part of the judicial system. You have stated repeatedly that you expect prisoners to carry out punishment that is not inclusive from our judicial system. Not only is that a corrupt thought process, but this is also an immoral thought process.

To place responsibility of corporal or capital punishment upon prisoners, affirms to criminals that playing judge, jury, and executioner is acceptable behavior.

Corporal punishment should be executed by judgments of our judicial system; capital punishment should be executed by our judicial system.

Violent sexual assaults should carry a capital punishment sentence, especially violent sexual assaults against a child.

The penal system should not be a place a criminal must learn vile social skills for survival. Such as what happens when the reform and neurological health of the inmate is left to the wayside. In addition, expectations, if not encouragement, of inmates from our society to execute judgments only encourage moral depravity. It is appalling that the federal judicial system tore from one out of ten states mores the right to guard society in standards that the population of that state accepted.

I am not saying that penal system should be a whipping pen or killing field for the elitist. Rather, it should be a place to edify the inmate of all levels of society, at all levels of incarceration with the prospect of the inmate rejoining society more complete than upon when he or she entered the system.

One of the things that is of great concern is when a corporation knowingly engages in reckless business practices that can cause harm or death to people, especially elderly and children. Such was the case in Georgia and Texas of a peanut butter manufacture. The company operated in a substandard fashion, including altering health documents and other misdeeds. Moreover, when people became sick and died from their product, the company filed for bankrupt skirting any judicial process. The judicial process would have only been civil; however, I feel that the managers and CEO’s of such companies should indeed be held to a capital punishment standard or at very least a corporal punishment.

355 words, is enough. I think the gist was made.

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?63258-Harsh-prison-sentence&p=1563147&viewfull=1#post1563147

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_v._Louisiana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coker_v._Georgia

Post Script:
Is it not odd that treason is still left within the capital punishment context?

[Blaze]

This is an notable excerpt:

Three days after the case was decided, Dwight Sullivan, a military blogger, noted that Congress had revised the Uniform Code of Military Justice in 2006 to add child rape to the list of offenses punishable in the military by death.[14][15] None of the 10 briefs filed with the Court, and neither the majority nor dissent, mentioned the provision. On July 2, 2008, Linda Greenhouse of The New York Times highlighted Sullivan's post, bringing the issue to national attention.[16]
highlight mine

[FORD]

I'm not saying whether it "should" be the case or not, I'm saying it IS. Pedophiles are hated by convicts as much as by anyone else in society, and for someone who's already serving a life sentence in prison anyway, what are they gonna do to him for taking out a baby raper? Give him another life sentence?

The state doesn't place that responsibility on the prisoners. They'll do it willingly, and more than likely brag about it afterwards, at least among themselves.

[FORD]

[hambon4lif]

I know that more black people get executed but surely they could have found 2 cases that were more similar?

The Troy Davis and Samuel Crowe stories were run side by side through almost every single media outlet here in the States. It's as if they were saying "Hey, we killed a whiteboy too, so we're even". It was a lame-ass attempt by the media to somehow try to justify what was done to Davis by running the Crowe story immediately after.

What were the similarities in these two cases? Nothing! Not a single fucking thing.

It's the most recent of the many prime examples of just how stupid and ignorant they think the American people are

[Blaze]

I'm not saying whether it "should" be the case or not, I'm saying it IS. Pedophiles are hated by convicts as much as by anyone else in society, and for someone who's already serving a life sentence in prison anyway, what are they gonna do to him for taking out a baby raper? Give him another life sentence?

The state doesn't place that responsibility on the prisoners. They'll do it willingly, and more than likely brag about it afterwards, at least among themselves.

The penal system should not be a place a criminal must learn vile social skills for survival. Such as what happens when the reform and neurological health of the inmate is left to the wayside. In addition, expectations, if not encouragement, of inmates from our society to execute judgments only encourage moral depravity. It is appalling that the federal judicial system tore from one out of ten states mores the right to guard society in standards that the population of that state accepted.

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If they are so hated by society then society should carry out the punishment. Not expect an inmate to carry out an unauthorized punishment.

The fact that some lifers will execute a justice that you feel should be availed. Does not make it OK? No, it does not.

There are many things a lifer does lose if he or she carries out your concept of judgement.
Your saying that it "should not be that way, but "is" that way. Is the same as saying, That's the way it was always done". And that does not make it right. it just makes it cultural.

You do not have the research to state, "They'll do it willingly". You do not know this. Some may do it begrudgingly.

I read that you think all of prison society is a throw away society. That the people in penal institutions are not worthy of a society that edifies. I read that you find it acceptable that inmates are expected to learn or practice vile social skills for survival. That simply is not acceptable. Not only is it a corrupt way, but it is an immoral way.

[FORD]

You won't get any argument from me that the prison system should be more about rehabilitation than punishment, especially where it concerns those who will be released one day. But if I had to list the reasons for doing so, keeping pedobears safe would be way down at the bottom of the list.

[Nitro Express]

Once a person is past age 18 it's very hard to change them. They have pretty much made up their mind on what kind of person they are going to be. The people who do change are in the minority.