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  • Blaze
    Full Member Status

    • Jan 2009
    • 4371

    Pastors to IRS: Come and get us

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    Lynn doesn’t see government prohibition against political campaigning from the pulpit as censorship, but as a trade-off. Churches are exempt from taxes, he says, in return for not using the proceeds for political activities.

    “Nothing is being squelched,” he said. “The only thing being required in exchange for the lucrative tax exemption is that you don’t participate in partisan activity.”

    Despite the threat of losing their churches’ tax-exempt status — a potentially huge financial blow — pastors participating in Sunday’s protest will do so openly. After previous Pulpit Freedom Sundays, some pastors sent tapes and recordings of their sermons to the IRS in hopes of prodding the government into a public fight.

    Stanley insists that the Alliance Defense Fund is politically nonpartisan. “We are focused on making sure a pastor has the right to freely speak from his pulpit without fear of punishment,” he said, adding that preachers from a wide array of denominations including Mormons, Catholics, Anglicans and Quakers will participate on Sunday.

    But Lynn counters that there isn’t much political diversity among this Sunday’s participating pastors. “In almost every instance, the person being endorsed is a conservative candidate,” he insisted.

    Pulpit Freedom Sunday’s ultimate goal is the repeal of an amendment to the tax code that became law in 1954. The so-called Johnson Amendment marked the beginning of the end for tax-exempt organizations that endorsed political candidates. In 1987 the IRS regulation was broadened to also forbid opposing candidates.

    All tax-exempt organizations covered by Section 501(c)(3) of the tax code — not just churches — fall under the Johnson Amendment’s umbrella. But the Alliance Defense Fund is only fighting for the rights of religious groups, and this threatens to become a sticking point if the IRS should ever decide to relent.

    “If they did it for religious groups, they would have to do it for all non-profits across the board,” said Lynn. “I don’t encourage that, but you could do it.
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    Interesting turn.
    If a corp is a person in the eyes of the law, would a 501 corp also be a person?
    I did not post the whole article.
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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32942

    #2
    The religious oligarchy. The Mormons are stand alone. Most of the protestant church's are members of the National Council of Church's. The NCC was set up by John Rockefeller to control the church's. When a church needed money they would go to the NCC rather than fold up and the clergy lose their jobs.

    Most of the squabbles between church's is a charade. It's much like the Republican vs. Democrat show we get in politics. We know both parties all get paid by the same special interest but they need to put on a show to keep the little people motivated. Religions do the same. It's all showbiz.

    The religious show seems to be getting dated though being replaced by a psedo-political/science system ran by bought off research and strong armed peer review. psedo-science is becoming the modern religion.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • SunisinuS
      Crazy Ass Mofo
      • May 2010
      • 3301

      #3
      My Dad had to make a very direct decision. He was a Pastor....and he opted out of Social Security with the full ramifications of that. Not because he wanted to make it harder on his family....but because he believed in what he was doing. Son of a Preacher Man. He actually....because he died suddenly....made sense out of the Governments Position.

      Last edited by SunisinuS; 10-02-2011, 03:32 PM. Reason: I can reach you.
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      • Little Texan
        Full Member Status

        • Jan 2004
        • 4579

        #4
        Churches should pay taxes just like any other business, as they are the biggest business on the planet. Why do you think churches advertise so much? More sheeple attending their respective churches = more revenue through offering plate proceeds, and at the moment it is quite lucrative without having to pay income taxes.

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35754

          #5
          You're not joking this site is an eye opener on just how much these people coin in.

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10625

            #6
            Originally posted by Little Texan
            Churches should pay taxes just like any other business, as they are the biggest business on the planet. Why do you think churches advertise so much? More sheeple attending their respective churches = more revenue through offering plate proceeds, and at the moment it is quite lucrative without having to pay income taxes.
            Churches aren't a business no matter how much you'd like to think they are. Try again.
            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • ashstralia
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Feb 2004
              • 6566

              #7
              Originally posted by Seshmeister
              You're not joking this site is an eye opener on just how much these people coin in.

              http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele...#Tele-Copeland
              bit of an eye-opener. thanks for that sesh. we're in the wrong bidnu$$.

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59618

                #8
                Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                Churches aren't a business no matter how much you'd like to think they are. Try again.

                Tell that to "The Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"
                Eat Us And Smile

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32942

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  Tell that to "The Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"
                  Estimated to have $80 billion in assets. One of the largest holders of real estate in the US. A huge player in agricultural industries. If you put Mormon Inc. in the Fortune 500 it would land right in the middle. They do pay taxes on their commercial profit but they have huge cash reserves in the church and they also use retired members as unpaid employees. They call them missionaries but in reality, they are unpaid employees. 40% of the administration at church headquarters are unpaid volunteers so they save a ton on labor costs. I have yet to see Mitt Romney donate his time to the church for free though. He's one of the smarter ones.

                  The church owns a hunting preserve and gets $5,000 to hunt it. Everyone working there is an unpaid missionary. You don't get any discount being a church member either. Mormon=$$$$$$. But hey, they think they are new jews so what do you expect?
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 59618

                    #10
                    Well, it's not like the Mormons are alone in this. Pat Robertson owns diamond mines and television networks, and God (literally) only knows how much real estate is owned by the Catholic church, or what exactly is in the Vatican basement.

                    I just picked the Mormons as an example because they print the corporate name right inside the cover of the Book of Mormon and all their other religious publications.
                    Eat Us And Smile

                    Cenk For America 2024!!

                    Justice Democrats


                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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