Libyan forces 'capture Gaddafi'

[Satan]

HELLo kids!

It's a great day to be the Devil. I'm now taking requests on how I should torment my latest "guest".

Any suggestions?

[Seshmeister]

Our president and most our politicians are pathological liars. I'm amazed people still take these guys at their word and not only that, want to give them more power over us.

Assuming that they are lying all the time is just as irrational and silly as assuming that they always tell the truth.

[Nitro Express]

Assuming that they are lying all the time is just as irrational and silly as assuming that they always tell the truth.

Liars who use crises to sell solutions that only enrich themselves and their banking and corporate buddies. They would rather continue to print US Dollars because it's less trouble and easier wealth than actually running a real economy building things. I figure in five years on this current program Alabama will probably have cheaper labor than China. That's what has rallied the stock market even when we are losing the real economy. Then after they have crashed it they buy it up cheap.

This is not possible with just banks and corporations. The politicians have to enable it to happen. Not exactly the people I trust nor do I want to give anymore power to. Normal people don't lie that much. Only crooked people do. Pathological liars they are. Of course they think they have their bailout. They think they can get away with it and not only that, enjoy screwing us. They love it. It's fun for them.

[Blaze]

What is lost in all of this is it was a UNITED STATES predator drone that fired on his convoy, destroying vehicles & killing many, which cause Ghadafi to get out & run to the drainage pipes where he was ultimately dragged out of & brutally killed.

We sure went a long ways from just a few days of enforcing a no-fly zone to protect the "innocent civilians" to actually being responsible for his death.

I guess you did not view the video of the adrenalin pumped mob that killed him with the just on or two hits each and them the young man who blew his load. Mobs are a dangerous thing. Especially war weary mobs. Gadaffi was suicidal. Just like some nut cases choose death by cop. Gadaffii chose death by incitement.

[binnie]

No real interest in seeing pictures/vids of this.

Focus on the execution - which is what it was - simply detract from the fact that we now have anohter middle eastern country which is destabilized. Is this a move to 'democracy'? Really?

Let's hope, for the sake of Libians, it is not as traumatic as I fear it might be.

[Shaun Ponsonby]

When the news broke yesterday the BBC were showing footage of his corpse being dragged around the streets, but saying things like "these are still unconfirmed reports" over the top of it. I'd have thought the footage of his corpse was pretty conclusive.

On a side salad...in regards to the footage being plastered all over terrestrial TV at 2.30 in the afternoon...is it really neccesarry for us to see all the gory details or is that just rubber necking? I remember Sky following Alexader McQueen's corpse around live when he died and saying things like "we would like to just take a moment to pay our respects to Mr McQueen" whilst it happened. You want to pay your respects? Don't show the world his fucking corpse.Obviously, that's a difficult kettle of fish compared to Gaddafi (the whole "respect the dead" thing can only go so far"), but I still think the only real reason to insist on showing all the graphic details is to try and get one up on rival news organisations. Cut it out and just tell us the facts. Thank you, that is all.

[Satan]

Seems that Senator Grandpa Simpson McCain is all upset that the Libyan rebels killed Mo and didn't keep him alive so he could be tried in the International Criminal Court.

Why is it that international courts are good enough for Gadaffi or Milosonofabitch, but not a single member of the BCE?

Isn't a war criminal a war criminal?

[jhale667]

Seems that Senator Grandpa Simpson McCain is all upset that the Libyan rebels killed Mo and didn't keep him alive so he could be tried in the International Criminal Court.

Why is it that international courts are good enough for Gadaffi or Milosonofabitch, but not a single member of the BCE?

Isn't a war criminal a war criminal?

You've got a point there, Scratch....

[chefcraig]

Let's hope, for the sake of Lesbians, it is not as traumatic as I fear it might be.

Fixed that for ya, bin.

[sadaist]

I am totally against the whole unmarked hidden grave thing. I realize they don't want people to go & pay homage to a tyrant, yadda yadda yadda. But who the fuck are "they" to decide what secrets to keep from everyone else? If someone wants to go & piss on his gravesite they should be allowed to. if some distant family member or friend that he was kind to wants to go & pay respects they should be allowed to.

[FORD]

Actually, they can go pay their respects right now, at the mall. No, I'm not kidding.......


Libyans line up today to view Moammar Gadhafi's body at a shopping centre in Misrata, Libya. / AP Photo / Manu Brabo


MISRATA, Libya -- Moammar Gadhafi's blood-streaked body was stashed in a commercial freezer at a shopping center today as Libyans waited in line outside for a chance to see him and authorities tried to figure out where to bury the longtime dictator.

The makeshift provisions for the corpse reflected the disorganization and confusion that has surrounded Gadhafi's death. Accounts of how he died after being captured by revolutionary fighters remained contradictory, and the top U.N. rights official raised concerns he was shot to death in custody.

His burial had been planned today, in accordance with Islamic traditions calling for quick interment. But the interim government delayed it, saying the circumstances of his death still had to be determined. Information Minister Mahmoud Shammam also said authorities are "debating right now what the best place is to bury him."

An Associated Press correspondent saw the body at the shopping center in the coastal city of Misrata, home of the fighters who killed the ousted leader a day earlier in his hometown of Sirte.

The body, stripped to the waist and wearing beige trousers, was laid on a bloodied mattress on the floor of an emptied-out room-sized freezer where restaurants and stores in the center normally keep perishables. A bullet hole was visible on the left side of his head -- with the bullet still lodged in his head, according to the presiding doctor -- and in the center of his chest and stomach. His hair was matted and dried blood streaks his arms and head.

Outside the shopping center, residents waited in line for their chance enter the freezer and have their picture taken with Gadhafi's body. Different visiting hours have been set for women and children and for men.

"This is the expected end for a tyrant," said Abdel-Atie al-Tabouli, one of the main guards outside the freezer.

Bashir Ali, a commander from the Misrata military operations room, said the burial would be in a secret location to avoid revenge attacks. "Gadhafi hurt a lot of people and many will want to find his body for revenge, so we need to make sure he is not found," he said.

The 69-year-old Gadhafi was captured wounded but alive, and there have been contradictory accounts of how and when he received his fatal wounds. New video emerged Friday of a bloodied Gadhafi being taunted and beaten by the fighters who pulled him out of a drainage tunnel following clashes in his hometown of Sirte on Thursday.

"More details are needed to ascertain whether he was killed in some form of fighting or was executed after his capture," said Rupert Colville, a spokesman for the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, calling the images of Gadhafi's last moments very disturbing.

Gadhafi's capture came when revolutionary fighters overwhelmed him and his last die-hard loyalists in Sirte, seizing control of the regime's last major bastion after a heavily fought, weekslong siege. Exact details of his final hours remain unclear.

According to most accounts from fighters on the ground and their commanders, Gadhafi was in a convoy trying to flee, when NATO airstrikes hit two of the vehicles. Then revolutionary forces moved in and clashed with the loyalists with Gadhafi for several hours. Gadhafi and his bodyguards fled their cars and took refuge in a nearby drainage tunnel. Fighters pursued and clashed with them, and in the end, Gadhafi emerged from tunnel and was grabbed by fighters.

New footage posted on Facebook shows the moments when Gadhafi was dragged by revolutionary fighters up the hill to their vehicles. The young men screaming "Moammar, you dog!" beat the confused-looking Gadhafi, who wipes at blood covering the left side of his head and neck and left shoulder.

Gadhafi gestures to the young men to be patient, and says "What's going on?" as he wipes fresh blood from his temple and glances at his palm. A young fighter later is shown carrying a boot and screaming, "This is Moammar's shoe! This is Moammar's shoe! Victory! Victory!"

The next point that most accounts agree upon is that Gadhafi died about 30-40 minutes later as he was being taken in an ambulance to Misrata. A coroners report said he bled to death from a shot to the head, and he also had shots to the chest and belly. Accounts have been confused, however, over where and how those fatal shots were suffered.

Most commanders and fighters who were at the scene with whom The Associated Press has spoken say that when he was captured, Gadhafi had already suffered the wounds that would lead to his death. That would mean that in the video, Gadhafi would have a bullet imbedded in his head, another in his chest and a third near his belly button. Yet, he is seen upright, talking and has the strength to struggle back, and there is no blood on his chest or belly. At one point, his shirt is pulled up to his chest, but no belly wound is visible.

Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril gave a different account Thursday, saying the fatal wounds were suffered later, when Gadhafi had been taken to the ambulance. As it set off for Misrata, the vehicle was caught in crossfire between revolutionaries and Gadhafi loyalists.

Information Minister Mahmoud Shammam mirrored this version today, saying the wounds came later, after his capture. "It seems like the bullet was a stray and it could have come from the revolutionaries or the loyalists," Shammam said. "The problem is everyone around the event is giving his own story."

But other fighters, commanders and witnesses have not spoken of any such crossfire or further clashes. Siraq al-Hamali, a 21- year-old fighter, told AP that he rode in the vehicle carrying Gadhafi as it left Sirte and did not mention coming under fire. He said by the time they reached a field hospital 20 miles (30 kilometers) outside Sirte, Gadhafi had died of wounds he already had.

"I really wanted him alive and everybody did, but he was destined to die and we could do nothing to change that," he said. "He won't be missed, and that's all for the best and let's get on with our lives."

One of Gadhafi's sons, Muatassim, was also killed in Sirte, but the fate of Gadhafi's one-time heir apparent Seif al-Islam was unclear. Some Libyan officials said he had been wounded and was being held in a hospital in Zlitan. But Hakim al-Kisher, a local military official at the Zlitan hospital, denied that.

Many Libyans awoke after a night of jubilant celebration and celebratory gunfire with hope for the future but also concern that their new rulers, the National Transitional Council, might repeat the mistakes of the past.

Khaled Almslaty, a 42-year-old clothing vendor in Tripoli, said he wished Gadhafi had been captured alive.

"But I believe he got what he deserved because if we prosecuted him for the smallest of his crimes, he would be punished by death," he said. "Now we hope the NTC will accelerate the formation of a new government and . . . won't waste time on irrelevant conflicts and competing for authority and positions."

Thousands of people converged for Friday prayers on Martrys' Square, formerly known as Green Square and the site from which Gadhafi made many defiant speeches trying to rally support as the uprising against him turned into a civil war.

One group of men danced and hoisted the country's new tricolor flag, chanting slogans against Syrian President Bashar Assad, who also faces an uprising against his rule as part of the Arab Spring that has also seen the leaders of Egypt and Tunisia ousted.

"It's your turn Bashar, zenga, zenga, dar, dar," they chanted.

"Zenga, zenga, dar, dar" is Arabic for "alley by alley, house by house," a phrase used by Gadhafi in his last months in power, referring to how his forces would hunt down those who rose up against him.

Women, who wore headscarves and prayed in a separate section, hoisted a banner that said, "It's a new morning without the colonel," using Gadhafi's military designation.

The governing National Transitional Council said interim leader Mustafa Abdul-Jalil will formally declare liberation on Saturday in the eastern city of Benghazi, where the revolution began in mid-February. The NTC has said it will form a new interim government within a month of liberation and will hold elections within eight months.

Gamel reported from Tripoli. Associated Press' Hadeel al-Shalchi in Cairo contributed to this report.

[Nickdfresh]

I am totally against the whole unmarked hidden grave thing. I realize they don't want people to go & pay homage to a tyrant, yadda yadda yadda. But who the fuck are "they" to decide what secrets to keep from everyone else? If someone wants to go & piss on his gravesite they should be allowed to. if some distant family member or friend that he was kind to wants to go & pay respects they should be allowed to.

Seems to have worked well in the cases of Hitler and Bin Laden...

[sadaist]

Actually, they can go pay their respects right now, at the mall. No, I'm not kidding.......

Yeah. Fucking sick. I love the hypocrisy of the guys that caught him. They were screaming about him being barbaric and look how they finished him off.

Oh well. At least now we are all spared the enormous spectacle that would have been an international trial. But I'm not convinced any of these Arab Spring countries are going to be better off. What's worse...the tyrant you know? Or the tyrant you have yet to discover?

[Blaze]

Yeah. Fucking sick. I love the hypocrisy of the guys that caught him. They were screaming about him being barbaric and look how they finished him off.

Oh well. At least now we are all spared the enormous spectacle that would have been an international trial. But I'm not convinced any of these Arab Spring countries are going to be better off. What's worse...the tyrant you know? Or the tyrant you have yet to discover?

I pray one day you have to deal with a war weary, adrenalin doused crowd... Because you don't grasp real world opps, that was not a video game.


Suicide by cop is pretty common. He choose to wave the golden gun. He choose to not surrender when many people were hunting him. A mob is a dangerous thing, he was barely alive when it descended. I am surprised he was in one piece after the lynching. That was a feat of a commander to be able to reclaim his body from a adrenalin pumped, war weary, lynch mob

Dan Hadan @ Julia, Qaddafi was captured alive, though wounded, and then killed

And like I said Dan, It was a feat that the commander was able to reclaim Gadaffii's body from the lynch mob. Had I been there I would have crushed his head with my boot and sliced his ear off his dead corpse for a keepsake.

https://www.facebook.com/LibyanYouthMovement/posts/221387877927036

[Seshmeister]

It's a kind of odd moral relativism listening to people having a fit about Gaddafi being shot while at the same time seemingly quite happy for families who live near terrorist suspects being blown to bits by US drones.

I guess the big difference is what is shown on TV and what isn't.