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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    Bin Laden died in US air raid: French expert

    Chandigarh Tribune

    Islamabad, May 12 2003

    A French expert claims Osama bin Laden, alleged terrorist mastermind wanted by the USA for the 9/11 bombings, died after being maimed in an American air raid on the Tora Bora mountains of Afghanistan in December, 2001, a Pakistani newspaper says.

    Ghislaine Alleaume, a historian and an expert on Arab affairs at the French National Research Centre (CNRC), reached the conclusion after studying television and Internet messages circulated by Bin Laden’s supporters, the Daily Times reported from Paris.

    She bases her theory mostly on a video report of the Al Qaida leader’s broadcast by Al Jazeera television on December 27, 2001.

    According to Alleaume, the Saudi exile looked weary and sick but she believes he had had his left arm amputated.

    “He is wearing a military camouflage jacket and you can see that someone has placed a bag in the same colours just behind him to disguise the fact that he has lost his arm,” she said.

    She believes he died of his injuries soon afterwards. “Given the sanitary conditions, it would not have been easy to survive an amputation,” she said.

    Alleaume has studied other messages circulated by Bin Laden supporters and she believes they contain clues that he is dead.

    Since the end of 2001, the texts have often been signed Osama Bin Mohammed Bin Laden, rather than just Osama Bin Laden, she said.

    “Adding Mohammed, his father’s name, gives him an apocalyptic dimension. The Koran says the Mahdi, the final messenger, will be recognisable, among other things, by the fact that he carries the name of the Prophet.”

    Last month an Arabic language audio recording said to be of Bin Laden was circulated in which he urged Muslims to launch suicide attacks against countries that supported the war on Iraq.


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    • jhale667
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 20929

      It's funny watching ELBOW go into conspiracy-meltdown mode...
      Originally posted by conmee
      If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

      That is all.

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      Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
      I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


      Originally posted by Isaac R.
      Then it's really true??

      The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

      OMFG...who in their right mind...???
      Originally posted by eddie78
      I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        And finally this morning for your viewing entertainment, we have the fake Bin Laden video wich the government used to tie Bin Laden to 911...




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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          ‘Bin Laden hit was a fake to keep the military-industrial complex going’

          Sunday 29 April 2012

          Tehran Times


          Press TV has conducted an interview with James Fetzer, a philosopher and political commentator, to discuss the issue of the United States using drones in other countries.

          Following is a rush transcription of the interview:

          Press TV: Perhaps you can clarify this for us. First, let’s look at the line from the U.S. on this. The U.S. will now be allowed to target individuals found to be plotting to attack the U.S. or American territory overseas even if U.S. intelligence cannot identify the people by name. How do you explain the rationale behind this?

          Fetzer: The whole situation is completely outrageous. It used to be a principle of American moral and political philosophy that it’s better to let ten guilty men go free than for one innocent person to suffer.

          The whole line about al-Qaeda is completely fabricated. This was an entity created by the United States to resist the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden is well known to have been our man in the Middle East where a CIA agent even visited him in Dubai where he was undergoing treatment for dialysis.

          Studies have shown that use of drones, because of the inability to discern precisely who the target is, properly costs 140 civilian deaths -- innocent deaths -- for every targeted insurgent. It’s a disgrace that the United States should be abdicating its responsibility.

          It represents a grotesque violation of international law and the principles of jurisprudence rooted in the concept of ‘due process’: no man should be deprived of life, liberty or the pursuit of property without the opportunity to defend himself in a court of law.

          While this is alleged to be a war context, the complete abdication of responsibility here is grotesque and stains the reputation of the United States.

          Press TV: Please expand more about what [our other guest] Gordon Duff is saying there. It sounds like the U.S. has to be somewhat in a perpetual state of war. I don’t quite understand why these signature air strikes now are being brought into the picture and announced officially, as Gordon Duff talked about, [with] different countries that the U.S. is involved in. What is going on?

          Fetzer: As Gordon Duff astutely observed, Osama bin Laden died on or about the 15th of December, 2001. He was buried in an unmarked grave in Afghanistan in accordance with Islamic tradition.

          The illusions of politics extend, therefore, to the purported attack on the compound in Pakistan which was a way of relieving political pressures that were derived from Obama not having closed Guantanamo, having stationed troops in Pakistan and having his birth certificate being subjected to minute scrutiny which was exposing its fraudulent character.

          All of that was taken off the front page by the staged fabricated attack on the compound where no one had ever seen Osama bin Laden. Indeed, how can you kill a man who died in 2001 - another time? The idea that he would be buried at sea in accordance to Muslim tradition was preposterous. That’s disrespectful to bodies which can be eaten by fish, sharks and other crustaceans.

          It’s a shame that the United States has been reduced to one lie after another. We seem to be spending more time trying to defend lies than we are solving real problems in the world and this is, yet, one more example.

          Press TV: So are they trying to remain in these countries that are using their drones? We could add to the list Afghanistan, Pakistan, maybe a setup to becoming a [scene] where drones have been officially documented to fly over their airspace. So is that, maybe, a reason for the U.S. to use these assassination drones?

          Fetzer: The idea of a perpetual war seems to be necessary to keep the military-industrial complex going. We didn’t derive the peace dividend that should have occurred when the Soviet Union collapsed.

          But instead, we elaborated a phony, elusive, shadowy terrorist force to alliance ourselves against where we could conveniently bring about any action anytime we want -- any terrorist event.

          We have been complicit. Even the FBI has shown to have been involved in terrorist activities here in the United States.

          So, we’re fabricating events in order to justify massive expenditures and to extend the power of the police state that the United States has become.

          Press TV: I’m going to go back to the line that the U.S. gave at the beginning of the program. Even if U.S. intelligence cannot identify the people by name, another way of saying ‘collateral damage: civilians are going to be killed’; the UN, when is it going to act on this given the track record?

          Fetzer: This represents a gross violation of human rights by any standards, certainly by that of the Declaration of Human Rights, by that of the U.S. Constitution, by the Declaration of Independence.

          I was so affected by the story of two young, beautiful teenage girls being followed by a drone, who looked back at it, laughed and giggled, which irritated the drone operator -- so he took them out.

          This kind of scenario is being replicated in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now no doubt even in Pakistan.

          It’s outrageous. It’s a corruption and it’s a betrayal of every principle for which the United States is supposed to stand. It must end.


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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10625

            Originally posted by jhale667
            That's uncharacteristically rational of you.

            Yeah, you're right - W. would NEVER have done that...

            I might actually have more respect for Obama if he would land/takeoff from a carrier like Bush did, and associate for awhile with the "little people."

            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • jhale667
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 20929

              So you obviously missed his trip to Afghanistan this week where he was mobbed by elated servicemen and women wanting to shake his hand or get a picture taken with him...
              Originally posted by conmee
              If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

              That is all.

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              Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
              I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


              Originally posted by Isaac R.
              Then it's really true??

              The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

              OMFG...who in their right mind...???
              Originally posted by eddie78
              I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                I think BigBaldBrian and jhair666 are twins...

                But which one is evil ??


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                • jhale667
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 20929

                  Like shooting fish in a barrel...with a howitzer...

                  Originally posted by ELVIS


                  Gee, guess Saddam and that dead Libyan dictator guy hadn't gotten the memo...?
                  Originally posted by conmee
                  If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                  That is all.

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                  Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                  I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                  Originally posted by Isaac R.
                  Then it's really true??

                  The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                  OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                  Originally posted by eddie78
                  I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    Shows what you know...

                    Saddam was not Muslim and Gadaffi was not a practicing muslim...

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                    • jhale667
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 20929

                      Originally posted by ELVIS
                      Shows what you know...

                      Saddam was not Muslim and Gadaffi was not a practicing muslim...

                      Meh, just shows you I couldn't really give a sh*t about someone's religion in general...that's for zealotards like you to stress over. Still a stupid generalization when you consider that OBL probably decided to change his image at least somewhat since he WAS a fugitive and all...
                      Originally posted by conmee
                      If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                      That is all.

                      Icon.
                      Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                      I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                      Originally posted by Isaac R.
                      Then it's really true??

                      The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                      OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                      Originally posted by eddie78
                      I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                      • ELVIS
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 44120

                        But the point of that image was that the one on the right is not Osama Bin Laden...

                        And before you laugh at me stating Saddam was not muslim, it's a fact that he was criticised by the Arab world for being unIslamic and the leader of a sectarian state...

                        Look it up...

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          Originally posted by jhale667
                          Meh, just shows you I couldn't really give a sh*t about someone's religion in general...that's for zealotards like you to stress over. Still a stupid generalization when you consider that OBL probably decided to change his image at least somewhat since he WAS a fugitive and all...
                          Get it through your skull...

                          The CIA created Al Qaeda to run the russians out of Afghanistan and Bin Laden was a CIA operative - THAT'S A FACT!

                          The spooky Al Qaeda and their shadowy terrorist plots are fabrications designed to keep the military industrial complex alive...

                          It's perpetual war and I don't blame Obama or Bush or any president, but that's how it is and it needs to stop!

                          Ron Paul is one of the only people in government who can see clearly through this bullshit and thats mainly why I support him...


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                          • jhale667
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 20929

                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                            But the point of that image was that the one on the right is not Osama Bin Laden...
                            Sure looks like the same guy's face. And since you have no forensic evidence to back up your claim, it's your OPINION that it's not. DUH.

                            Get it through your skull...

                            Yeah, you can seriously f*ck off with the condescening crap, swamp-thing. :dafinger:

                            The CIA created Al Qaeda to run the russians out of Afghanistan and Bin Laden was a CIA operative - THAT'S A FACT!

                            The spooky Al Qaeda and their shadowy terrorist plots are fabrications designed to keep the military industrial complex alive...
                            You're an idiot, as that's common knowledge and no one disputed it...so get THAT through your thick inbred skull, k?

                            One could argue that any military (or domestic) conflict is engineered to sustain the military/prison industrial complex...
                            Originally posted by conmee
                            If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                            That is all.

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                            Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                            I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                            Originally posted by Isaac R.
                            Then it's really true??

                            The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                            OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                            Originally posted by eddie78
                            I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 59648

                              Originally posted by ELVIS
                              But the point of that image was that the one on the right is not Osama Bin Laden....
                              And the one on the left is the Disney Animatronic Osamabot from the Halloween 2004 video.
                              Eat Us And Smile

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                              • ELVIS
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 44120

                                And Bin Laden is not responsible for 911 and he was already dead before Obama killed him...

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