The Gun Control & Ballistics Thread

[Nickdfresh]

I wonder what the US homicide rate is when certain "cultural" aspects are taken into account?

You mean repressed minorities that are inheritors of a slave-based economy where they had any wealth stripped from them?

But in this case, as with most mass killings and with serial killers, the murderer was white--like you...

[Nickdfresh]

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I believe some of the US Marines special forces have used the M-14 in the middle east theater. All you would have to do is replace the wood stock with a modern polymer one. The M-14 is basically an improved M1 Garand with full auto capability. The Garand had the problem of ejecting the clip and that made a noise alerting the enemy you were out of ammo. The M-14 has a box magazine. I believe the gas actuator and bolt are very similar to a Garand.

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The M-14 is still used in modified, updated versions like the SOCOM-14 and certain rebuilt USMC "intermediate marksmen" configurations...

[BigBadBrian]

You mean repressed minorities that are inheritors of a slave-based economy where they had any wealth stripped from them?

Any other liberals like Nick want a go at my previous statement? He failed miserably...as usual.

[Nitro Express]

I'm pretty sure you think this bullshit stinks as much as I do, Nitro...

But even if this guy wakes up out of his trance and starts talking like a bird, the government will switch to script B and the media would lick it up...

Everyone has an agenda now. The end run for some is to flank the US Constitution using the UN. They are trying to sign us onto the International Small Arms Treaty and then of course enforce that with foreign troops under the UN umbrella. This shooting in Denver comes at an interestingly strategic time. Plus the equipment the guy had was expensive. Where did the money to buy it come from? When you have an attorney general who got caught running guns to drug cartels in Mexico to create a problem so they can offer the fix it makes you wonder what else these scum bags are capable of.

The oligarchs of the world never liked the US Constitution. It's got enemies on both the right and the left. The constant argument I hear is people aren't capable of taking care of themselves and they need a more enlightened class of people to take care of them. I know Hillary Clinton is tight with the Rockefeller family. When Lawrence Rockefeller lived here in Jackson and Clinton was president they came here several times. Their home is up by the Rockefellers in New York. That family has never been a fan of US Constitutional rights and they donated the land where the UN stands.

They have spent decades working on the younger generations brainwashing them that constitutional rights are dated and that the world would be better off ruled by international treaties.

This is where they are trying to take us and unfortunately have been successful at doing so. My question is how many people really buy into it?

[Nickdfresh]

Any other liberals like Nick want a go at my previous statement? He failed miserably...as usual.

Dude, you're a retard that thinks that M-16 bullets tumble and is very passionate about other gay seamen. Glad you're "conservative."

[Nickdfresh]

I always love these, Ballistic, proffessional, expert, military issued, wiki brian, no let me tell you all about
the history of trajectory, ammunition specs, kill theory, murder rate, threads here in -The Front-.

From a bunch of fags who seem to have great humanitarian issues, with some football player, shooting some goddamned pit bull dogs.

Maybe one of you actually has some experience and isn't wiki blasting away like a punk with a weapon.



Cops arresting and prosecuting some old man for yanking his crank in a,... porn theater.

Cops chasing down some dumb crack bitch for stealing a car,.. ramming her car (100K spent in
HELICOPTER PERSUIT!!) repeatedly ramming this stolen car they care so much about, then when she rams back they ( it becomes assault on a officer),shoot her 9 times while unloading 76 ,rounds handgun rounds, 18 shotgun rounds at her, while pinned / trapped in the car,, FOR A GODDAMNED FUCKING CAR!!!!

This theater thing is a tragedy, but there are thousands of injustices in this country every day of our governments innability to protect us.

They will blame the victims in some way. Probably by setting up search points at the local mall, then they can hire a bunch more mother fuckers who always wanted to be, a cop.,( paid for by our tax dollars),

Hurry Obama Care, that is the answer!!!

It ain't the murder rate that is the problem, get with the program people!

It's not Wiki moron, I actually served in the Army and shot these weapons while you were wondering why sneaking looks at mens' cocks in the stall next to you made you feel funny...

[clarathecarrot]

When I was in college I worked in an emergency room and in a funeral home. I have seen what happens when you pull the trigger, both to the human body and to those who are left behind. Neither one are particularly pretty. Those are some of the reasons why I consider it a tremendous responsibility to carry a firearm. A responsibility that has tremendous implications I hope to never exercise.

I would want my first response to be to get my wife down on the ground and get on top of her with my weapon drawn and fire ONLY if an opportunity to end the situation with a clear shot or an imminent threat to our safety arose. I would not jump up and try to engage anyone like it was a Lethal Weapon movie.

I agree with that. Best not to draw any fire your way.

At least you ain't talking shit.

Nick would probably put a big cigar in his mouth and call out some comic book Sgt Rock orders and wonder why he can't hold that 50 cal machine gun, in his arm and a some dame in the other. Like in the movies.

[Nitro Express]

When I was in college I worked in an emergency room and in a funeral home. I have seen what happens when you pull the trigger, both to the human body and to those who are left behind. Neither one are particularly pretty. Those are some of the reasons why I consider it a tremendous responsibility to carry a firearm. A responsibility that has tremendous implications I hope to never exercise.

I would want my first response to be to get my wife down on the ground and get on top of her with my weapon drawn and fire ONLY if an opportunity to end the situation with a clear shot or an imminent threat to our safety arose. I would not jump up and try to engage anyone like it was a Lethal Weapon movie.

I worked at a funeral home when I was in college as well. I was an usher and closed up at night. I remember one viewing someone started screaming he's alive! What had happened is the eye stay had slipped and the eye lid opened. It worked with my hours but I never could make it in the funeral business. I just couldn't sell people or hit them up for money after they have had a death in the family. I was glad I didn't have to deal with that part of it.

Indeed owning a firearm is a huge responsibility. If you follow all the safety rules you never will have an accident. What drives me nuts is when people like Sarah Palin act like jackasses with firearms. They aren't toys. They aren't props. They are a deadly weapon and should be treated with respect. I know people like police officers have the challenge of not getting too comfortable with their gun. It's called pet gun syndrome where you get so used to it, you start to get sloppy with it and that is where accidents happen. You should have a mental checklist of things you do. Even if you know it's unloaded still check the magazine and chamber to make sure.

[baru911]

Largely a myth

A myth? The original rate of twist of rifle bought by the US military did not fully stabilize the bullet which aided the bullet in tumbling upon impact or keyholing. The rifle was designed with a 1:14 twist. The US Army found that to be less than optimal. They changed it to a 1:12.

The high "tumble" rate of the 5.56 occurs when the very solid and fast, light bullet suddenly enters a more dense medium (meaning a body) that tends to make the point slow and veer off track while the heavier base is still trying to move straight ahead. As the bullet turns and then skids sideways, its larger side profile momentarily but vastly increases the energy transfer to the target.

Guess "the myth" is not why the US Army has gone from 1:12 twist, to 1:9 twist, to the 1:7 twist. It must have been an attempt to do something else. What? I've no idea. I'm sure you do as I'm writing about a "myth". The round has been stabilized over time with the 1:7 twist rate.

The new twist rate is one of the reasons why the holes in bodies are less catastrophic in the damage caused than they used to be.

[ELVIS]

The ballistics discussion is so wrong when we should be mailing our hearts through the fabric of humanity to the victim's families, even though the murders are a government psyop aimed at disarming the real Americans...

[Nitro Express]

It isn't illegal nor should it be. Why would someone do something about it? If you get a good enough deal you jump on it. 6000 round would take guys who are serious about keeping a perishable skill fresh less than 4 months to go through. That's 375 rounds a week. While that isn't your average gun owner it certainly isn't a large round count for someone who does 3 gun shooting competitions. Yes, I know most competition shooters reload - I'm talking round counts. However, some do buy their ammo.

I've been to courses where we went through 1000 rounds in 2 days.

I stopped shooting competitively because the reloading bench time was a killer. I actually started to dread doing it. I know I went through a whole keg of Bullseye gun power. That's a lot of target rounds. I still have my Clark custom 45.

[Nickdfresh]

I agree with that. Best not to draw any fire your way.

At least you ain't talking shit.

Nick would probably put a big cigar in his mouth and call out some comic book Sgt Rock orders and wonder why he can't hold that 50 cal machine gun, in his arm and a some dame in the other. Like in the movies.

Never fired a .50, trailer-piper huffer. Which movie does any actor fire a .50 Browning machine gun from under their arm, retard?...

[DONNIEP]

Never fired a .50, trailer-piper huffer. Which movie does any actor fire a .50 Browning machine gun from under their arm, retard?...

I do believe he's confusing an M60 with a .50BMG...

[Nickdfresh]

A myth? The original rate of twist of rifle bought by the US military did not fully stabilize the bullet which aided the bullet in tumbling upon impact or keyholing. The rifle was designed with a 1:14 twist. The US Army found that to be less than optimal. They changed it to a 1:12.

Um, it never "tumbled" and it had nothing to do with the rifling...

The high "tumble" rate of the 5.56 occurs when the very solid and fast, light bullet suddenly enters a more dense medium (meaning a body) that tends to make the point slow and veer off track while the heavier base is still trying to move straight ahead. As the bullet turns and then skids sideways, its larger side profile momentarily but vastly increases the energy transfer to the target.

No, it doesn't. What's your source on this?

Guess "the myth" is not why the US Army has gone from 1:12 twist, to 1:9 twist, to the 1:7 twist. It must have been an attempt to do something else. What? I've no idea. I'm sure you do as I'm writing about a "myth". The round has been stabilized over time with the 1:7 twist rate.

What would that have to do with "tumbling?"

The new twist rate is one of the reasons why the holes in bodies are less catastrophic in the damage caused than they used to be.

But it isn't from "tumbling."

[Nickdfresh]

I do believe he's confusing an M60 with a .50BMG...

Huffing turpentine from your toothless cousin-girlfriend's cupboard will do that too you...

I have fired that one, but not from under my arm. It wouldn't fit because of my massive biceps and triceps....