Paul Ryan Said Something That Should Force Him Off the Ticket, But You Probably Didn'

[FORD]

Sorry, but when it comes to Ayn Rand bullshit, civil discussion isn't possible.

Anybody who believes in that shit wants to destroy everything that ever made the USA a great country. And there's just no way to find common ground with that idiocy, any more than you could reason with a cross burning Klansman standing in your yard with a noose in one hand, and a burning cross in the other.

I can have a reasonable discussion with a Eisenhower type Republican and have, on many occasions. Some of the former GOP elected officials in this state were genuinely good guys, and I even voted for a couple of them. Sadly, they don't exist anymore. Not locally or nationally.

And instead you have all this BCE/KKKoch/Randtard fascism in its place. And it simply cannot be reasoned with. It must be destroyed.

[Redballjets88]

Civility educated people. Harshness creates distance. Why else can you explain the Ron Paul/liberitarian movement? It's made up of people who are sick of arguing and are looking for a new option. I feel like I know everything you hate but nothing you believe in. I dont know if you remember back when I posted when I was an idiot 15 year old but a lot of what you lounge and Elvis said stuck. This is why myself and people my age are much different than former generations. Hell yeah gay marriage hell yeah green movement hell yeah pro choice. But hell no to big gov hell no to lack of personal responsibility. Solve problems through humanity not government rule

[Dr. Love]

FORD your opinions have always interested me, just wish the rhetoric and hard stances didn't get in the way of clear conversation. I feel like there is a lot to learn behind the conspiracies and slander of the other side of the aisle.

Honestly the amount of name-calling and insults larded in most statements around here obscure the actual point that is being made by some people around here makes me wonder if it's entirely intentional.

I'll pick on FORD since he did it most recently (and arguably most often):

Well, it's definitely true that Eddie Munster's worship of the serial killer groupie Ayn Rand, and the adoption of her Antichrist nihilistic bullshit as economic policy scares me far more than his Christian Taliban social policies.

Not that either one should be tolerated in the 21st century, of course.

What is he actually saying? "I dislike Paul Ryan's fiscal social policies more than I do his fiscal policies." If you cut out stuff like "serial killer groupie", "Antichrist nihilistic bullshit" and "Christian Taliban" that's essentially what you're left with. The genuinely surprising part is how much this has become "par for the course" in the dialog around here.

It's gone so far beyond "I disagree with you" it's not even funny anymore. It's been at "I don't like your point of view so I am going to attack you personally" for years but it's just degrading. People are going out of their way to find ways to attack the messenger and not the message.

Really, stop some time and read what people around here are actually saying. It ain't that different than what goes on in the rest of the country. People are trained and rewarded for painting extreme parodies of groups and labeling each other with catchy monikers (like teahadists) and then further rewarded for marginalizing the people and their points of view.

No point in dialog -- what purpose would that actually serve for the people that benefit the most from this behavior? Why would they want most Americans to realize and recognize that those "Christian Talibans" and "Teahadists" have a lot more in common with the "socialists" than they believe? Cooperation won't help those in power. Much better to train the partisans to distract and vilify the other side. That way those in control can stay in control by painting their fellow citizens as "anti-christ serial killers", "nazis" and so forth. The sensationalistic rhetoric wins out over reasoned debate.

And people wonder why there's no cooperation anymore!

[Redballjets88]

You're right. It's been this way forever. I haven't posted in years but the political season brings me back. I'm nostalgic for
The debate but forgot that nothing is really ever said. This forum is truly a microcosm of real politics haha

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Honestly the amount of name-calling and insults larded in most statements around here obscure the actual point that is being made by some people around here makes me wonder if it's entirely intentional.

I'll pick on FORD since he did it most recently (and arguably most often):



What is he actually saying? "I dislike Paul Ryan's fiscal social policies more than I do his fiscal policies." If you cut out stuff like "serial killer groupie", "Antichrist nihilistic bullshit" and "Christian Taliban" that's essentially what you're left with. The genuinely surprising part is how much this has become "par for the course" in the dialog around here.

It's gone so far beyond "I disagree with you" it's not even funny anymore. It's been at "I don't like your point of view so I am going to attack you personally" for years but it's just degrading. People are going out of their way to find ways to attack the messenger and not the message.

Really, stop some time and read what people around here are actually saying. It ain't that different than what goes on in the rest of the country. People are trained and rewarded for painting extreme parodies of groups and labeling each other with catchy monikers (like teahadists) and then further rewarded for marginalizing the people and their points of view.

No point in dialog -- what purpose would that actually serve for the people that benefit the most from this behavior? Why would they want most Americans to realize and recognize that those "Christian Talibans" and "Teahadists" have a lot more in common with the "socialists" than they believe? Cooperation won't help those in power. Much better to train the partisans to distract and vilify the other side. That way those in control can stay in control by painting their fellow citizens as "anti-christ serial killers", "nazis" and so forth. The sensationalistic rhetoric wins out over reasoned debate.

And people wonder why there's no cooperation anymore!

just corporation

[Redballjets88]

^^^^ more avoidance of an actual subject

[Nickdfresh]

Civility educated people. Harshness creates distance. Why else can you explain the Ron Paul/liberitarian movement? It's made up of people who are sick of arguing and are looking for a new option. I feel like I know everything you hate but nothing you believe in. I dont know if you remember back when I posted when I was an idiot 15 year old but a lot of what you lounge and Elvis said stuck. This is why myself and people my age are much different than former generations. Hell yeah gay marriage hell yeah green movement hell yeah pro choice. But hell no to big gov hell no to lack of personal responsibility. Solve problems through humanity not government rule

You just stated that "all liberals are becoming more welfare state-ish and all Republicans are becoming more libertarian" which is sort of a general, bullshitish statement lacking any factual basis. Then you follow up that hope we're not "commies in 50 years." Now you're lecturing people on civil discourse? You're a dick! STFU and go crack a textbook, tool...

And I think we've been over this before, but the "88" is a white-supremacist/neonazi code for HH...

[FORD]

You're forgetting he's in Texas, Nick. Cracking a textbook won't help him any down there!

[jhale667]

You're forgetting he's in Texas, Nick. Cracking a textbook won't help him any down there!

Yes, he'd be in a world of trouble if someone there became concerned he was "thinking critically".

[ELVIS]

Liberals fucking suck...

[Redballjets88]

Hahahaha I post something and actually try to pander a bit as to not ruffle feathers and what happens? I'm turned into a redneck neo nazi in 2 minutes. #hatemongers

[ELVIS]

Yeah...

The liberal feelings monsters came out to get you...

[Nickdfresh]

Liberals fucking suck...

But you suck the hardest....

[Nickdfresh]

Hahahaha I post something and actually try to pander a bit as to not ruffle feathers and what happens? I'm turned into a redneck neo nazi in 2 minutes. #hatemongers

Well Redballs, I can't help it if you're an idiot...

[binnie]

My bad, I have misunderstood something