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What's funny is that MOST, and I mean the vast majority, of the Blackie trigger pullers were people with rather mundane MOS'es, and that real ex-SEAL's can make bank other places...I have heard the SEAL "Hollywood" bias though, from a former Special Forces commander who said he preferred the Marine Force Recon--same training, less attitude...
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Those at Sea World were impressive but I worry that maybe they are over trained.Comment
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I stand corrected in that the training is not the same, however, they do receive very rigorous training in their own right and are spec ops capable. I believe some do go through actual SEAL training...Comment
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Before we get too carried away about how 'amazing' the training of US SEALs is in comparison to other countries special forces I think they should add a class about not throwing fucking grenades at the hostage you are trying to rescue and then lying about it.
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I don't think the SEALs are any more effective than most other well-funded, Western special forces or hostage rescue units like the SAS, GIGN, GSG9, etc. I do think they have a fairly good track record since the "War on Terrah'" began. However, prior to that they were often seen as arrogant dicks that didn't have a lot of talking room after having several ignominious instances after Vietnam such as men drowning off Grenada in 1983 and with an apparent "intelligence failure" resulting in casualties during the invasion of Panama in another instance of commanders wanting to showcase their spec ops superstars by using them inappropriately...
I'm no commando bad-ass nor an expert by any means, but using a fragmentation grenade in the above operation seems inexcusable when they have numerous types of 'flash bangs' available...
*it may be perhaps unfair generalization, but the perception is that the SEAL's are sometimes book-writing marketing-hype Hollywoods whereas the members of other units such as the Army Delta Force tend to more quiet professionals...Comment
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Eat Us And Smile
Cenk For America 2024!!
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"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992Comment
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Really Brian? How many successful premier hostage rescues has SEAL Team 6/Dev Group performed? All the ones I've listed have carried out mass hostage rescues, often in foreign countries with very limited national resources and limited power projection...Comment
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No Easy Op
Navy SEAL wrote 'No Easy Day' after being pushed out of SEAL Team 6
A group of Special Ops veterans released its own e-book, 'No Easy Op,' suggesting 'No Easy Day' author Matt Bissonnette wrote his book in part due to ‘bad blood’ with his former unit.
The publication of 'No Easy Op' further complicates the debate over 'No Easy Day,' former Navy SEAL Matt Bissonnette's account of the raid on Osama bin Laden, published this week under the alias Mark Owen.
By Husna Haq
posted September 4, 2012 at 2:48 pm EDT
As retired Navy SEAL Mark Owens’s (a.k.a Matt Bissonnette) “No Easy Day” hits shelves today, a new e-book on Special Operations offers fresh insight into why Bissonnette broke his code of silence with his tell-all account of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
A group of Special Ops veterans released its own e-book Monday, “No Easy Op: The Unclassified Analysis of the Mission that Killed Osama bin Laden,” which suggests Bissonnette “was willing to break the code of silence honored by many commandos because of ‘bad blood’ with his former unit, the elite SEAL Team 6,” writes The New York Times.
According to the NYT, the e-book claims Bissonnette was “effectively pushed out of SEAL Team 6 after he expressed interest last year in leaving the Navy and starting a business.”
“How was he repaid for his honesty and 14 years of service?” the Special Ops writers ask in the e-book. “He was ostracized from his unit with no notice and handed a plane ticket back to Virginia from a training operation.” After that treatment, Bissonnette “felt less compunction” about writing “No Easy Day.”
“No Easy Day” was published as scheduled Tuesday despite a storm of controversy about the firsthand account of the top-secret raid and threat of a government lawsuit. The Pentagon has threatened to sue Bissonnette for breaching his contract by not submitting the manuscript for review early enough in the publication processs.
The publication of “No Easy Op” further complicates the debate over Bissonnette’s account. The e-book was produced by sofrep.com, a website about the news, culture, and weaponry of the Special Ops produced by former commandos. Brandon Webb is a founder of the site and a former SEALs sniper, according to the NYT. In the NYT article, Webb says the e-book is based on “conversations that he and his co-authors had with current members of SEAL Team 7, none of whom are identified.”
(Incidentally, Webb also wrote his own account of his military experience, “The Red Circle,” which was also not submitted for review. But he was not penalized, he says, because the book came out years after missions it describes, and included details already made public.)
“No Easy Op” is largely sympathetic to Bissonnette, according to media reviews. It describes the former Navy SEAL as “an operator’s operator” and says it is highly unlikely “No Easy Day” revealed any vital information about SEAL tactics and procedures. Nonetheless, the e-book does scold Bissonnette for not submitting the book for review, suggesting that move would have placated government officials and put to rest concerns about security breaches. And it emphasizes the point that Bissonnette was less likely to abide by protocol after having been slighted by his former unit.
Whatever Bissonnette’s motivation may be, the former Navy SEAL’s co-author in “No Easy Day,” Kevin Maurer, said in a statement that Bissonnette’s account has nothing but praise for other SEALs and military personnel. “After spending several very intense months working with Mark Owen on this book, I know that he wrote this book solely to share a story about the incredible men and women defending America all over the world,” the statement reads. “Any suggestion otherwise is as ill informed as it is inaccurate. What’s more, Mark has an unshakable respect for the U.S. military, in particular the men he served with. That’s why not one negative word was written about anyone he served with.”
Still, the ongoing controversy over “No Easy Day” has the authors of “No Special Op” predicting Bissonnette’s book may be a game changer in the field. As Americans’ interest in commando culture swells and more retired Special Ops veterans consider sharing their accounts in books, movies, and more, the Pentagon will likely crack down on tell-all revelations like this – making firsthand accounts like these rarer, suggests the e-book. “No Easy Day” it writes, “will result in blowback that will drive policy change across the entire Special Operations community regarding operators’ ability to write books in the future. Hollywood and media access will be virtually impossible for the foreseeable future.”
Husna Haq is a Monitor correspondent.
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Really? Brian, that might be one of the biggest pieces of disingenuous bullshit you've ever posted here. Yeah, the SEALs were just sooooo secret!!
I know you hate Obama, fine. I hated Bush. But do you ever question lying all the time in order to rationalize your views?Comment
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Originally posted by conmee
If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.
That is all.
Icon.Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667
Originally posted by Isaac R.
Then it's really true??
The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???
OMFG...who in their right mind...???
Originally posted by eddie78
I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.Comment
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Yeah, Obama just blew the lid off the ultra secret SEAL T6/Devgru!:
Who's the "asshat" BigDumbBrian?Publication Date: March 1, 1993 | Series: Rogue Warrior
A brilliant virtuoso of violence, Richard Marcinko rose through Navy ranks to create and command one of this country's most elite and classified counterterrorist units, SEAL TEAM SIX. Now this thirty-year veteran recounts the secret missions and Special Warfare madness of his worldwide military career -- and the riveting truth about the top-secret Navy SEALs.
Marcinko was almost inhumanly tough, and proved it on hair-raising missions across Vietnam and a war-torn world: blowing up supply junks, charging through minefields, jumping at 19,000 feet with a chute that wouldn't open, fighting hand-to-hand in a hellhole jungle. For the Pentagon, he organized the Navy's first counterterrorist unit: the legendary SEAL TEAM SIX, which went on classified missions from Central America to the Middle East, the North Sea, Africa and beyond.
Then Marcinko was tapped to create Red Cell, a dirty-dozen team of the military's most accomplished and decorated counterterrorists. Their unbelievable job was to test the defenses of the Navy's most secure facilities and installations. The result was predictable: all hell broke loose.
Here is the hero who saw beyond the blood to ultimate justice -- and the decorated warrior who became such a maverick that the Navy brass wanted his head on a pole, and for a time, got it. Richard Marcinko -- ROGUE WARRIOR.
Amazon.comLast edited by Nickdfresh; 09-05-2012, 02:28 PM.Comment
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You pretty much realise that you have seen it all and wished you had not after working retail one day and witnessing an entire family of obese assholes (including the overtly, disgustingly overweight kids) check out all three or four of your store's mobility assist scooters in order to plow around the aisles, all while munching on bags of potato chips and drinking super-sized, depth-charge sized fountain sodas. To make matters worse, they start yelling at each other.
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”― Stephen HawkingComment
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