No Easy Op: The Navy SEAL & Sp Op Thread

[ELVIS]

This book is just another part of the misinformation campaign...

BIN LADEN DIED IN 2001 !!!!

If this whole bullshit story were true, this book would have never seen the light of day...

A publisher would normally seek clearance from the pentagon or some other high level government authority to publish a book like this in order to keep from LOSING THEIR ASS !!

But we're supposed to believe that the Pentagon sent this guy a nasty letter !!

Oh my...

The whole story STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN !!!!!!!

[baru911]

Really Brian? How many successful premier hostage rescues has SEAL Team 6/Dev Group performed? All the ones I've listed have carried out mass hostage rescues, often in foreign countries with very limited national resources and limited power projection...

Any of these ring a bell?
1) Happened when they saved this Captain of the Maersk Alabama. You know the Captain...His name is Captain Phillips.
2)They save both Jessica Buchanan and Dane Poul Thisted who were held as hostages in Somalia for 3+ months.

Not a rescue but pretty important -
A sniper and a spotter from Red Team were the ones that lazed Musab al-Zarqawi's last location. He of course failed to leave that location alive. Too bad.
They also did a whole bunch of oil rig stuff when the Gulf War started. Of course, they were never there and it never happened. However, the oil rigs some how got cleared of the "issues" on them.

[ELVIS]

None of that really matters...

[FORD]

I have yet to see any concrete evidence - pun intentional - that Hopalong Al Zarqawi ever actually existed.

He was an anonymous police-style sketch. Then he died. Then he was alive again. Then he lost a leg. Then he was supposedly seen running with two whole legs. Then he was killed again. Then he was supposedly in one of those execution videos, where all the "terrorists" were 6 ft tall white guys who were no more native Arabic speakers than I am. And then finally he was supposedly killed for the last time when 50 tons of rubble landed on top of him when his house was bombed, yet 2 hours later a photo was released of a corpse that sort of resembled the police sketch, but not a scar on him.

I doubt he ever existed at all, and in fact, the BCE even admitted he was a work of fiction meant to "catapult the propaganda" (as Chimpy said)

[baru911]

*it may be perhaps unfair generalization, but the perception is that the SEAL's are sometimes book-writing marketing-hype Hollywoods whereas the members of other units such as the Army Delta Force tend to more quiet professionals...

The books and all the freaking news that have come out lately are part of a directive in the Navy to increase the number of SEAls. Why do you think there was a reality TV show about the making of class 234? Also, there have been a few books written by former CAG guys. One was based to make the TV show The Unit. Another one was the book about the battle of Tora Bora and UBL's escape.

[baru911]

I have yet to see any concrete evidence - pun intentional - that Hopalong Al Zarqawi ever actually existed.

He was an anonymous police-style sketch. Then he died. Then he was alive again. Then he lost a leg. Then he was supposedly seen running with two whole legs. Then he was killed again. Then he was supposedly in one of those execution videos, where all the "terrorists" were 6 ft tall white guys who were no more native Arabic speakers than I am. And then finally he was supposedly killed for the last time when 50 tons of rubble landed on top of him when his house was bombed, yet 2 hours later a photo was released of a corpse that sort of resembled the police sketch, but not a scar on him.

I doubt he ever existed at all, and in fact, the BCE even admitted he was a work of fiction meant to "catapult the propaganda" (as Chimpy said)

This all comes from a guy who gives Elvis crap about conspiracy theories and Alex Jones. That sounds alot like what Alex might view as the truth.

FORD do some research on him and his time in Egypt with the Brotherhood and what the Egyptian Government did to him when they caught him, how he got out of prison and how he got to know UBL. Maybe you'll get a better understanding of what he stood for and what shaped him into the self-hating POS he was when he was alive.

[Nickdfresh]

Any of these ring a bell?
1) Happened when they saved this Captain of the Maersk Alabama. You know the Captain...His name is Captain Phillips.
2)They save both Jessica Buchanan and Dane Poul Thisted who were held as hostages in Somalia for 3+ months.

Both small cases whereas the GIGN and GSG9 have stormed entire airliners...

Not a rescue but pretty important -
A sniper and a spotter from Red Team were the ones that lazed Musab al-Zarqawi's last location. He of course failed to leave that location alive. Too bad.
They also did a whole bunch of oil rig stuff when the Gulf War started. Of course, they were never there and it never happened. However, the oil rigs some how got cleared of the "issues" on them.

Irrelevant to the discussion...

[Nickdfresh]

The books and all the freaking news that have come out lately are part of a directive in the Navy to increase the number of SEAls.

Really? Is that why the Pentagon is probably going to sue Bissonette? Their has always been SEAL news and publicity going back to the early 1980s at least, and they certainly don't need anymore press. I'd say a large number of kids join the Navy thinking one day they might be SEALs even though only a fraction will even get to try out...

Why do you think there was a reality TV show about the making of class 234? Also, there have been a few books written by former CAG guys. One was based to make the TV show The Unit. Another one was the book about the battle of Tora Bora and UBL's escape.

There's also public consternation among Naval special warfare officers that there is too much getting out on how they train and operate, and there have always been more than enough potential recruits...

Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The commander of U.S. Navy SEALs has written a scathing message to them, saying he is “disappointed, embarrassed and concerned” that troops are now openly speaking and writing about their secret work.

CNN obtained a copy of the message signed by Rear Adm. Sean Pybus, head of the Naval Special Warfare Command, or NSW, and sent to all 2,500 SEALs and some 5,500 support troops he oversees.

He starts by noting the core value of the community, which is, “We do NOT advertise the nature of our work, NOR do we seek recognition for our actions.” The emphasis is the admiral’s.

Pybus’ message follows a letter from Adm. William McRaven that also is critical of the recent publicity. Although McRaven is a Navy SEAL, he oversees all 65,000 Special Operations Forces from all of the military services. Pybus’ message is viewed as much more directed to the SEAL community.

“I am disappointed, embarrassed and concerned,” Pybus wrote. “Most of us have always thought that the privilege of working with some of our nation’s toughest warriors on challenging missions would be enough to be proud of, with no further compensation or celebrity required. Today, we find former SEALs headlining positions in a presidential campaign; hawking details about a mission against Enemy Number 1; and generally selling other aspects of NSW training and operations. For an elite force that should be humble and disciplined for life, we are certainly not appearing to be so. We owe our chain of command much better than this.”

http://fox8.com/2012/09/05/scathing-message-sent-to-seals-on-secret-work/

[FORD]

This all comes from a guy who gives Elvis crap about conspiracy theories and Alex Jones. That sounds alot like what Alex might view as the truth.

FORD do some research on him and his time in Egypt with the Brotherhood and what the Egyptian Government did to him when they caught him, how he got out of prison and how he got to know UBL. Maybe you'll get a better understanding of what he stood for and what shaped him into the self-hating POS he was when he was alive.

Well, Alex Jones did comment on this back in the day, but so did the mainstream corporate whore Chimp asskissing media.....

Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi
By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 10, 2006

The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The documents state that the U.S. campaign aims to turn Iraqis against Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian, by playing on their perceived dislike of foreigners. U.S. authorities claim some success with that effort, noting that some tribal Iraqi insurgents have attacked Zarqawi loyalists.

For the past two years, U.S. military leaders have been using Iraqi media and other outlets in Baghdad to publicize Zarqawi's role in the insurgency. The documents explicitly list the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.

Some senior intelligence officers believe Zarqawi's role may have been overemphasized by the propaganda campaign, which has included leaflets, radio and television broadcasts, Internet postings and at least one leak to an American journalist. Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq have conducted deadly bombing attacks, they remain "a very small part of the actual numbers," Col. Derek Harvey, who served as a military intelligence officer in Iraq and then was one of the top officers handling Iraq intelligence issues on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told an Army meeting at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., last summer.

In a transcript of the meeting, Harvey said, "Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, in some ways."

"The long-term threat is not Zarqawi or religious extremists, but these former regime types and their friends," said Harvey, who did not return phone calls seeking comment on his remarks.

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As for the Egyptian brotherhood thing, I believe you have him confused with Ayman Al-Zawahiri. He's the Egyptian doctor (and Muslim Brotherhood member) who allegedly became the new CEO of Al Qaeda Terrorism Enterprises, LLC after Osama's, er.... "early retirement".

[baru911]

Well, Alex Jones did comment on this back in the day, but so did the mainstream corporate whore Chimp asskissing media.....




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As for the Egyptian brotherhood thing, I believe you have him confused with Ayman Al-Zawahiri. He's the Egyptian doctor (and Muslim Brotherhood member) who allegedly became the new CEO of Al Qaeda Terrorism Enterprises, LLC after Osama's, er.... "early retirement".

I did...thanks for the correction.

[baru911]

Both small cases whereas the GIGN and GSG9 have stormed entire airliners...

Does the size of the operation in your mind make it the best? The SAS have dealt with an embassy. If so, then I guess the SAS are the best under that thinking or maybe Spetsnaz is the best because of the Moscow Theater. They did kill what around 30 terrorist when they got inside? However, 120+ of the hostages where killed when they stormed the theater. Size of an operation is a strange way to weigh what operational unit is "the best".

[DONNIEP]

Those Red Cell videos kick ass.

[Nickdfresh]

Does the size of the operation in your mind make it the best?

Not necessarily size, but context as well. The Navy SEAL snipers took impressive shots, but they were also dealing with amateurs with virtually no training. The GSG9 flew into an African nation to take out trained terrorists with minimal support...

The SAS have dealt with an embassy. If so, then I guess the SAS are the best under that thinking or maybe Spetsnaz is the best because of the Moscow Theater. They did kill what around 30 terrorist when they got inside? However, 120+ of the hostages where killed when they stormed the theater. Size of an operation is a strange way to weigh what operational unit is "the best".

I never said anything about Spetnaz. The SAS have a long tradition regardless of what one thinks about them, and they essentially invented modern hostage rescue and had the earliest capability....

[baru911]

Really? Is that why the Pentagon is probably going to sue Bissonette?

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The 5 sided building guys are mad at him because he didn't get the book vetted. A large amount of the anger is being directed at him from the fleet.

There's also public consternation among Naval special warfare officers that there is too much getting out on how they train and operate, and there have always been more than enough potential recruits...

When you have a graduation rate of 30 to 35% there is never enough recruits/volunteers. Some classes do not even graduate a single man. The Navy spent millions of dollars trying to identify the perfect candidate. They couldn't do it. The directive from the top has been to get more people into BUDs since the war on terror began. The slots still need to be filled and those slots are opening at a higher rate due to men getting older, maimed, killed, retiring, or getting out for other reasons. It becomes a numbers game. The number of men needed has expanded due to role that the Teams now play in this new form of warfare (I know it really isn't a new form of warfare in number of ways).

All of the above is based on information from conversations with friends. I can't give you a better explanation as I ain't a SEAL.

[motherchicken]

I had a recon team of otters stalking me the other day when I was walking around the lake. Sneaky little bastards....

Let Nick know. His homeland security connection can have them deported.