No Easy Op: The Navy SEAL & Sp Op Thread

[FORD]

Isn't it about time that you forget your password again and disappear, Sockfucker?

Since I'm sure you wrote it down on a scrap of paper, be sure to toss it into the wash with your socks.

[baru911]

Not necessarily size, but context as well. The Navy SEAL snipers took impressive shots, but they were also dealing with amateurs with virtually no training. The GSG9 flew into an African nation to take out trained terrorists with minimal support...



I never said anything about Spetnaz. The SAS have a long tradition regardless of what one thinks about them, and they essentially invented modern hostage rescue and had the earliest capability....

Maybe you should have as they are pretty elite and US Operators now cross train with them in our brave new world. The SAS have had some issues. Like the events that took place on Gibraltar in the late 80's. I think the size of the operation really isn't a tell of who is or might be "the best". The type of mission/location/other factors are a better way of determining what group to use and who might be "The Best". This is a really strange thread.

Example:
1) If you want someone to take an airfield? The Rangers
2) Want indigenous peoples/tribes trained in modern warfare and weapons? Army Special Forces
3) Want to take an oil rig? The SEALs
4) Got an A Team out in indian country and want an air strike/fire controll called in because your being engaged by a superior force? Hope that you have a combat controller
5) Got a terrorist situation in Germany? GSG 9
6) Got a terrorist situation in NC? CAG
7) Got a bank robbery and hostage situation in downtown New York City. NYPD's Emergency Services Unit fits the bill.

[hideyoursheep]

.The 5 sided building guys are mad at him because he didn't get the book vetted. .

That's true..then again, so long as he's no longer active, he is under no obligation to do so. The guy's just looking to cash in on being a part of what is arguably the single most imortant event in Bush's GWOT....even though Bush was either too much of a cunt to give ther green light on this, or he never wanted the boogey man to be captured in the first place. I say let him have his bank...fucking turd mercs are making more scratch than he was as a SEAL, and their standards aren't even in the same galaxy as SEALs.

Oh! And he's not ignorant enough to print secret, or top secret shit in that book, otherwise he knows he'd be in serious trouble. He was debriefed and is aware of what can fly, and what will get him locked up in Gitmo. Classified? Give me a break...That's just another term for "It's not that important (on the level of National Security) but keep it to yourself anyway. The world knows UBL got smoked. They know one of their choppers crashed (probably too close to that fucking 10' wall the Paki's built for him and couldnt get enough lift). As long as their names are changed to protect their identities I don't see any problem.

[hideyoursheep]

Maybe you should have as they are pretty elite and US Operators now cross train with them in our brave new world. The SAS have had some issues. Like the events that took place on Gibraltar in the late 80's. I think the size of the operation really isn't a tell of who is or might be "the best". The type of mission/location/other factors are a better way of determining what group to use and who might be "The Best". This is a really strange thread.

Example:
1) If you want someone to take an airfield? The Rangers
2) Want indigenous peoples/tribes trained in modern warfare and weapons? Army Special Forces
3) Want to take an oil rig? The SEALs
4) Got an A Team out in indian country and want an air strike/fire controll called in because your being engaged by a superior force? Hope that you have a combat controller
5) Got a terrorist situation in Germany? GSG 9
6) Got a terrorist situation in NC? CAG
7) Got a bank robbery and hostage situation in downtown New York City. NYPD's Emergency Services Unit fits the bill.

You. Are a fucking idiot.

Operation Praying Mantis ring any bells, merc nut-hugger? Those weren't SEAL's taking those oil rigs, dumbass.

Want to take an airfield? 24th ID and 3rd ID have already done that for you. Twice.

[jhale667]

Oh, snap..... LMAO @ "merc nut-hugger"....

[BigBadBrian]

Nope, he's a true Repuke - unconcerned with pesky "facts"... much like his "boys" Wrongney and Eddie Munster.

You can't debate your way out of a wet paper bag despite all the lies you're told to repeat.

[BigBadBrian]

Yeah, Obama just blew the lid off the ultra secret SEAL T6/Devgru!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_SEALs_in_fiction

Who's the "asshat" BigDumbBrian?

You are, of course. You still haven't proven any point. You're stooping down to the intellectual level of gayhale, which is about 10 levels below the rest of us, even that Swedish wench.

[BigBadBrian]

Really? Is that why the Pentagon is probably going to sue Bissonette? Their has always been SEAL news and publicity going back to the early 1980s at least, and they certainly don't need anymore press. I'd say a large number of kids join the Navy thinking one day they might be SEALs even though only a fraction will even get to try out...

Actually, one can enlist with a guaranteed spot in the training program. Still, less than 10% will make it. A guaranteed spot is also offered to other SOC operator programs, I believe.

[BigBadBrian]

That's true..then again, so long as he's no longer active, he is under no obligation to do so.

Actually, he is.

[BigBadBrian]

You. Are a fucking idiot.

Operation Praying Mantis ring any bells, merc nut-hugger? Those weren't SEAL's taking those oil rigs, dumbass.

Want to take an airfield? 24th ID and 3rd ID have already done that for you. Twice.

I don't think he was suggesting those were the only units that could do those particular ops. Chill out, dude.

[jhale667]

You can't debate your way out of a wet paper bag despite all the lies you're told to repeat.

You say that as if you CAN, oh ignorant shill for the lowest common denominatior? I can out-debate you drunk, with one lobe of my brain tied behind my back. That's not saying much though -pretty much anyone here can. You're the KING of spewing bullshit Republicunt talking points here.

[Nickdfresh]

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The 5 sided building guys are mad at him because he didn't get the book vetted. A large amount of the anger is being directed at him from the fleet.

Well he did sign a contract, and like CIA Agents, operators who write about their work experiences can often blow up sources and methods. The book Secret Warriors supposedly helped destroy a vital intelligence network in Iran in the 80's...

When you have a graduation rate of 30 to 35% there is never enough recruits/volunteers. Some classes do not even graduate a single man.

I doubt it's even that high, I also doubt classes never produce SEALs. High attrition rates are expected. That's why they're elite, and that's pretty much the story with any special operations force. Few are geared for those kind of operations day in and out...

The Navy spent millions of dollars trying to identify the perfect candidate. They couldn't do it.

There is no one, "perfect candidate." The Lt. Audie Murphy is a prime example why...

The directive from the top has been to get more people into BUDs since the war on terror began. The slots still need to be filled and those slots are opening at a higher rate due to men getting older, maimed, killed, retiring, or getting out for other reasons. It becomes a numbers game. The number of men needed has expanded due to role that the Teams now play in this new form of warfare (I know it really isn't a new form of warfare in number of ways).

I'm unaware of directives from the top as apparently are you. But even in the War on Terrah, there are so many special ops people needed on the whole, especially since we're out of Iraq...

All of the above is based on information from conversations with friends. I can't give you a better explanation as I ain't a SEAL.

Neither am I, just pay attention...

[Nickdfresh]

Maybe you should have as they are pretty elite and US Operators now cross train with them in our brave new world.

Really? You think?

The SAS have had some issues. Like the events that took place on Gibraltar in the late 80's. I think the size of the operation really isn't a tell of who is or might be "the best". The type of mission/location/other factors are a better way of determining what group to use and who might be "The Best". This is a really strange thread.

All special forces have "issues." Four SEAL's drowned during an unnecessary and retarded drop off Grenada in 1983. The Delta Force suffered (relatively) heavy casualties taking an airport they were not specifically trained, equipped, nor organized to take. A SEAL team had to 'escape and evade' in the same Invasion. All these were side effects of the Pentagon wanting to show off its super ninja, badass superstars, and conduct a reenactment of D-Day, for political reasons when the Island could have just been taken by the Marines...

Example:
1) If you want someone to take an airfield? The Rangers
2) Want indigenous peoples/tribes trained in modern warfare and weapons? Army Special Forces
3) Want to take an oil rig? The SEALs
4) Got an A Team out in indian country and want an air strike/fire controll called in because your being engaged by a superior force? Hope that you have a combat controller
5) Got a terrorist situation in Germany? GSG 9
6) Got a terrorist situation in NC? CAG
7) Got a bank robbery and hostage situation in downtown New York City. NYPD's Emergency Services Unit fits the bill.

It's never that simple and there is overlap. The Army Special Forces are not just "teachers," they're certainly doers as well. CAG/ACE/Delta wouldn't respond to a terror attack in the Carolinas. Most likely it would be the FBI HRT. And the GSG9 proved pretty effective in Africa...

[hideyoursheep]

Delta Force..Oof!

I'd seen 3 guys repeatedly put in for that back in the day..2 were back within 30 days, and another came back about 3 months later on crutches. None of them went at the same time, and were given little notice to report for training. They got their orders and were gone. One of the things to expect if one has the desire to make that career move, I suppose.

I have no idea how the SEAL's go about selecting candidates, but I imagine it's similar.

Unconventional warfare never interested me as a young man. Yet whenever I saw that green beret or the SF combat patch, I showed respect! They most definitely deserve it.

[Seshmeister]