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  • baru911
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    • Jun 2012
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    Private Contracting Firms - Why the US uses them

    For the purposes of this thread/post, the term contractor includes both armed and unarmed personnel.

    A very brief history of what caused the need for contractors:
    1) Force reduction after Vietnam - Army logistics support elements get relegated to the Army Reserve and the National Guard in order to cut troop numbers and the force reduction in post–Cold War that cuts the Army from 18 to 10 divisions with corresponding cuts in support forces. That reduced the Services' ability to support long-term operations.
    2) The 1990's - the US employs contractors in the Balkans to build traditional camp-building to the concept of force development that saw Military Professional Resources Incorporated training the Croatian army.
    3) The decision to invade Iraq with minimum forces left the USA with too few troops in-theater to deal with the disorder that resulted from the removal of that country's leader.

    Why the US uses contractors:
    1) continuity
    2) speed of deployment
    3) reduction of troop requirements
    4) economic inputs to local economies
    5) reduction of military casualties
    6) executing tasks the military and civilian workforce cannot


    Continuity
    While the U.S. military has a policy that the vast majority of personnel rotate every 6 to 12 months. Contractors are often willing to stay for longer periods. Private contracting companies can offer significant bonuses to people who stay longer . The companies know that they save money due to the personnel continuity, and employees see an opportunity for increased pay and bonuses.

    Speed of deployment
    The Pentagon failed to plan for large numbers of security personnel to protect all U.S. activities once the Afghan and Iraqi governments were removed from power. The Pentagon had not planned to keep large numbers of troops in Afghanistan or Iraq for any period of time. Also, it had not planned for the required logistics support. Why? I've no idea. Seems a bit short-sighted doesn't it?

    Using database hiring, running job fairs, and contracting for labor from regional companies, private contracting firms were able to hire, and ship people to run base camps, drive trucks, and perform "housekeeping" chores required to maintain both combat forces and civil administrators in Iraq and Afghanistan. Contractors replaced tens of thousands of soldiers normally required to move, and transport personnel and supplies into Iraq and Afghanistan. As a side bar the electrical grid built by us in Iraq was completed by contractors.

    Reduction of troop requirements
    At the height of the surge in April 2008, the DOD reported it had 163,000+ contractors supporting around 160,000 troops in Iraq. Without contractors, the United States would have had to provide twice as many troops. The U.S. Armed Forces struggled to maintain those 160,000 troops in Iraq. It is very doubtful that we could have supported the 320,000 troops needed or supply 320,000 troops to the area. We robbed troops from Afghanistan to deal with Iraq. That didn't turn out to well and has caused long term issues ever since in the region.

    Example: The majority of contractor personnel are in noncombatant tasks/roles. In Iraq and Afghanistan, many unarmed logistic support personnel functioned in what the military would define as a combat role. Convoy drivers are a perfect example of what I am trying to describe. Drivers are/were subjected to ambushes using either improvised explosive devices and/or direct fire attacks. This combination of drivers willing to run through the ambushes and armed contractors replaced at least two full combat divisions. Those divisions would have been needed to run, supply, and secure Services' operated supply convoys. At the height of the war in Iraq the supply convoys ran 24 hours a day.

    The cost benefit of contractors
    Contractors can be let go when their contract expires. Generally, the length of a contract is 6, 9, or 12 months. They can be longer or shorter depending on the billet. Unlike military or government employees who continue on the payroll, contractors are simply paid off and shipped home.

    Reduction of military casualties
    Contractors absorbed over 25% of the KIA in Iraq. By the end of 2009, contractors reported just under 1,800 dead and 40,000 wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are not counted by the Pentagon. They get reported through the Dept. of Labor. Thus, the current political party in power gets to play a shell game with the American public about casualties. That gets done by both parties. Political clout is not expended with those numbers to keep a war going. Harsh isn't it? I didn't say all the reasons I would provide would make you feel warm and fuzzy inside did I? However, it is one of the realities of contracting and why contractors are used. Its a grown-up world and everyone knows the risk going in.

    Provide economic inputs to local economies by hiring locals
    Creating jobs and stimulating the economy are aspects of the counterinsurgency the US has put into action. In the Balkans and Afghanistan, NATO and ISAF have hired large numbers of local personnel to conduct both armed and unarmed tasks. We want people dependent on us for their monetary survival - kind of like a counterinsurgency of "welfare" but they have to work a job to receive it.

    Contractors can execute tasks that U.S. military and civilian forces cannot
    In Afghanistan, we lack the forces to secure primary supply lines to Pakistan. They run through areas controlled and/or contested by the Taliban/bandits and police who charge for use of the roads. Afghan contractors have displayed the mix of force, personal connections, and negotiation skills to maintain US supply lines.
    Last edited by baru911; 09-06-2012, 10:48 AM.
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  • binnie
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    • May 2006
    • 19145

    #2
    Interesting topic.

    What distinguishes a 'private contractor' from a 'mercenary'. Don't mean that to sound snippy, I'm generally intrigued: is there not a moral issue involved here in hiring out guns for money?
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    • FORD
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      • Jan 2004
      • 59610

      #3
      So reductions in military forces "forced" the US to use mercenaries??

      Yeah right. Couldn't possibly do something that makes sense like NOT STARTING FUCKING WARS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, could we?

      Fuck the excuses. There is no need for mercenaries. In fact, I'm with Thomas Jefferson. I don't believe we need a permanent standing military at all. About the only REAL justification for keeping one, is that if it was abolished tomorrow, there would be additional millions of unemployed people.

      But Poppy Bush had one of the few reasonable ideas of his life when he began reducing the military after the Cold War was over. Should have kept on going that direction, and hopefully by now there would have been something else (NOT private mercenary armies) that could have taken the place in employment.
      Last edited by FORD; 09-06-2012, 06:35 PM.
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      • motherchicken
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        • Nov 2009
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        #4
        Originally posted by FORD

        I'm with Thomas Jefferson. I don't believe we need a permanent standing military at all.
        You're brain's in the same condition. Dead. I thought your conspiracy theories were out there but this is really insane.

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        • jhale667
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          • Aug 2004
          • 20929

          #5
          Somebody started drinkin' early....
          Originally posted by conmee
          If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

          That is all.

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          Originally posted by Isaac R.
          Then it's really true??

          The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

          OMFG...who in their right mind...???
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          • FORD
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            • Jan 2004
            • 59610

            #6
            You can shove your conspiracy theories in your sock, sockfucker....
            "There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789.

            "I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787.

            "Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801.

            "Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom and subversive of their quiet." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Lord North's Proposition, 1775.

            "The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson to Chandler Price, 1807.

            "A distinction between the civil and military [is one] which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Answers to de Meusnier Questions, 1786.

            "It is nonsense to talk of regulars. They are not to be had among a people so easy and happy at home as ours. We might as well rely on calling down an army of angels from heaven." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1814.

            "There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.

            "The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves. The Greeks by their laws, and the Romans by the spirit of their people, took care to put into the hands of their rulers no such engine of oppression as a standing army. Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared. This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814.

            "Bonaparte... transferred the destinies of the republic from the civil to the military arm. Some will use this as a lesson against the practicability of republican government. I read it as a lesson against the danger of standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Adams, 1800.
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            • motherchicken
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              • Nov 2009
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              #7
              Originally posted by FORD
              You can shove your conspiracy theories in your sock, sockfucker....
              Jefferson was an nutcase too.

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              • motherchicken
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                • Nov 2009
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                #8
                No standing army but in time of actual war. Insanity. Modern weopons need maintenence and people need to be trained to use them.

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                • FORD
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                  • Jan 2004
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by motherchicken
                  No standing army but in time of actual war. Insanity. Modern weopons need maintenence and people need to be trained to use them.
                  Or we could STOP CREATING AND USING WEAPONS. Unless its absolutely necessary. Which it has not been at any time since August 1945.
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                  • FORD
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                    • Jan 2004
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by motherchicken
                    Jefferson was an nutcase too.
                    A guy who fucks socks and cleans prison toilets says the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence was a "nutcase"

                    Damn.... who should I believe here?
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                    • motherchicken
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                      • Nov 2009
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by FORD
                      A guy who fucks socks and cleans prison toilets says the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence was a "nutcase"

                      Damn.... who should I believe here?
                      Jefferson might have been correct. For that time. But that was then, this is now. Did they even have repeating rifles then? You are truly an idiot.

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                      • motherchicken
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                        • Nov 2009
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        Or we could STOP CREATING AND USING WEAPONS. Unless its absolutely necessary. Which it has not been at any time since August 1945.
                        I'm sure no one was has attacked the U S since then because everybody loves us. It has nothing to do with a "strong deterrent".

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                        • FORD
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by motherchicken
                          I'm sure no one was has attacked the U S since then because everybody loves us. It has nothing to do with a "strong deterrent".
                          The primary reason nobody attacked us is because there's a couple of really big oceans surrounding the country. You could never have a situation like Adolf rolling into Poland here. Unless Stevie Harper went completely batshit, and even though he's probably the most extreme guy Canada's ever had in power, even he ain't THAT crazy.

                          Not to mention, the country's just too damn big for a sustained occupation. The 80's right wing cult film Red Dawn even proved that much.
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                          • motherchicken
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by FORD
                            The primary reason nobody attacked us is because there's a couple of really big oceans surrounding the country. You could never have a situation like Adolf rolling into Poland here. Unless Stevie Harper went completely batshit, and even though he's probably the most extreme guy Canada's ever had in power, even he ain't THAT crazy.

                            Not to mention, the country's just too damn big for a sustained occupation. The 80's right wing cult film Red Dawn even proved that much.
                            Hate to burst your bubble but "Red Dawn" was a movie. And in "Red Dawn" we had a standing military and an enemy invaded and took over entire cities. No military opposition and they could have sent in battalions of personell to kill the "wolverines".
                            You're just yanking my chain with this "no standing army" bullshit. Even you with your nutball conspiracy theories aren't completly insane.

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                            • Hardrock69
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                              • Feb 2005
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                              #15
                              Private contractors have been used for thousands of years.

                              They used to be called "Mercenaries" or "paid soldiers".

                              But war is not all they are used for. For instance, EG&G runs Area 51.

                              The reason our government uses private contractors is also one of plausible deniability.

                              You can file Freedom Of Information Act requests all day long, but if the subject involves something which is done by a private corporation, you will come up empty.

                              This is why all anti-gravity and advance propulsion technology is not something our government is involved in. They hand that shit off to private companies. Boeing. Northrop. Raytheon. General Dynamics. EG&G. Idaho National Engineering Laboratories. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories. Sandia National Laboratories. Los Alamos National Laboratories. RAND Corporation. Genstar Corp. General Electric Corporation.


                              The government keeps a hands-off policy, and they can honestly say "We don't know anything".

                              So there are many different reasons why we use private/defense contractors.
                              Last edited by Hardrock69; 09-06-2012, 09:58 PM.

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