Youngest and Last Western Detainee leaves Guantanamo

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  • motherchicken
    Registered User
    • Nov 2009
    • 1017

    #16
    Originally posted by Angel
    For one thing, we still don't know if he threw that grenade. Just because he SAID he did, does not make it so. I'm guessing you don't know much about the Khadr family, or the circumstances, do you?

    I highly doubt he knew right from wrong at the time (by our view), considering what he had been taught. Hell, if I was injured when soldiers stormed my home, I'd throw a grenade if I had one too. You have to consider PIE (person in environment) when it comes to shit like this. IMO, Khadr is no different than the Lost Boys from Sudan....
    . As far as the possibility he's innocent and confessed out of necessity that's possible even probable. But if he is guilty my sympathy is with the dead guys family not him. Brainwashed or not I feel people have instinct regarding right or wrong. He chose wrong.

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    • DONNIEP
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Mar 2004
      • 13373

      #17
      Don't you know? Everybody is innocent and there are no terrorists.
      American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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      • Satan
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2004
        • 6664

        #18
        Don't encourage the Sockfucker......
        Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

        Originally posted by Sockfucker
        I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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        • DONNIEP
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 13373

          #19
          Dammit! I was just having fun!
          American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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          • Angel
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7481

            #20
            Originally posted by motherchicken
            . As far as the possibility he's innocent and confessed out of necessity that's possible even probable. But if he is guilty my sympathy is with the dead guys family not him. Brainwashed or not I feel people have instinct regarding right or wrong. He chose wrong.
            Our "instinct" about right and wrong is dependent upon our socialization. If he did throw the grenade, it was out of pure survival instinct; however, how a half-dead blind kid was supposed to have thrown a grenade at someone is beyond me.

            This kid's crime is having the last name "Khadr". The Supreme Court ruled that his charter rights had been violated by CSIS, and ordered Canada to bring him home. Your government have been pressuring ours for the last year to take him, and we kept stalling.

            I don't like his family and I wish they'd never been granted citizenship. But they were, and he was born here. We're supposed to be leaders in human rights. Hell, we were instrumental in getting child soldiers acknowledged; yet we throw our own to the wolves.

            I've read the transcript of his interview with the Pentagon psychiatrist. No doubt that kid was sexually abused in the Al Qaeda camps. I'm concerned that he still idolizes his father, and the damage that was done in Gitmo.

            He should have been brought home 10 years ago...
            "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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            • ELVIS
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 44120

              #21
              Originally posted by Angel
              If he did throw the grenade, it was out of pure survival instinct
              That's funny...

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              • BigBadBrian
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Jan 2004
                • 10625

                #22
                Originally posted by Angel
                Our "instinct" about right and wrong is dependent upon our socialization. If he did throw the grenade, it was out of pure survival instinct;
                I'm not too familiar with this case, but everyone has a story of why they went bad. Cry me a river. You can't base a person's innocence or guilt on how he was brought up. There's Right and Wrong, period.

                If he threw the grenade, off with his fucking head.
                “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                • Angel
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 7481

                  #23
                  Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                  I'm not too familiar with this case, but everyone has a story of why they went bad. Cry me a river. You can't base a person's innocence or guilt on how he was brought up. There's Right and Wrong, period.

                  If he threw the grenade, off with his fucking head.
                  There are hundreds of child soldiers that have committed far worse atrocities than Omar, if he did (and I don't believe he did). Why are they worthy of a 2nd chance and he isn't?

                  The main thing is that he's a Canadian citizen and this country not only did nothing to protect this citizen, but were found guilty of human rights abuse by the Supreme Court of Canada. Our government(s) are losing our Canadian values.
                  "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                  • WACF
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2920

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Angel
                    There are hundreds of child soldiers that have committed far worse atrocities than Omar, if he did (and I don't believe he did). Why are they worthy of a 2nd chance and he isn't?

                    The main thing is that he's a Canadian citizen and this country not only did nothing to protect this citizen, but were found guilty of human rights abuse by the Supreme Court of Canada. Our government(s) are losing our Canadian values.
                    In many cases of child soldiers...they are threatened into killing...they are also given drugs.

                    Khadr was brainwashed from a very young age...as was his brother and sister who idolize him.

                    As far as Canadian values go...his brother was brought back to Canada after being wounded in the firefight that killed his father....our healthcare(one main reason they stay here sometimes) nursed him back to health.
                    If he was not in a wheel chair he would be back fighting...recently he was on the news defending using bombs to defend Islam.

                    His mother thinks him killing a medic looking for wounded Taliban was nothing...her words where "So what.".

                    He will not be in a very good environment at home.

                    He was at the compound to fight...the Army asked all women and children leave...he did not.

                    He was trained as a bomb maker and planted IEDs...he was fighting a war...against our allies and could have easily been Canadian troops involved.

                    I fully agree he was brainwashed...but I refuse to think he was stupid...he knew what he was doing.

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                    • WACF
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2920

                      #25
                      Originally posted by ELVIS
                      That's funny...
                      The firefight was over...he was wounded...he was going to go out with a bang.

                      Don't forget...he was going to earn his virgins.

                      He yelled obscenities at the troops and dared them to kill him.

                      The damage done to young kids by radicalized Religion is obscene.

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