The Climate Change Deniers

[WACF]

Perspective....

Weather change....it is real because we are still coming out of the last ice age.
We tend to think everything happens in our life time...reality is even if you live to a hundred it is still a speck compared to what the earth has gone through.

Do many people even realize that at one time the earth had no ice caps?

The Potash that I mine is actually an ancient sea bed....over 300 million years old....and the equator was actually here....almost in the middle of Saskatchewan.

The best way to look at is that climate change is a fact of life.

The problem is we are polluting our environment...destroying our home...and that needs to be dealt with.
We are perhaps speeding it up...or just plain poisoning ourselves.

We should lose the climate change religion...that is easy to be divisive on.

It should be about polluting....the science can not dispute that.

[ZahZoo]

It means they've had more snow than normal Is it an El Nino year this year?

Sent from my GS2, bitches

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.pdf

EL NIÑO/SOUTHERN OSCILLATION (ENSO) DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION
issued by
CLIMATE PREDICTION CENTER/NCEP/NWS
and the International Research Institute for Climate and Society
4 October 2012
ENSO Alert System Status: El Niño Watch
Synopsis: Borderline ENSO-neutral/ weak El Niño conditions are expected to continue into Northern Hemisphere winter 2012-13, possibly strengthening during the next few months.
During September 2012, the trend towards El Niño slowed in several key oceanic and atmospheric indicators. However, the Pacific basin reflects borderline ENSO-neutral/ weak El Niño conditions. Equatorial sea surface temperatures (SST) remained elevated across the Pacific Ocean (Fig. 1), although anomalies decreased during the month as indicated by weekly index values in the Niño regions (Fig. 2). The oceanic heat content (average temperature in the upper 300m of the ocean) anomalies also weakened (Fig. 3), but continued to show large regions of above-average temperatures at depth across the equatorial Pacific (Fig. 4). Interestingly, low-level westerly wind anomalies were evident over the equatorial western Pacific Ocean (Fig. 5), which may portend possible strengthening of the subsurface anomalies in the coming months. Despite these winds, the atmosphere was still largely ENSO-neutral, as reflected by the Southern Oscillation index and near-average upper-level and lower-level winds across much of the Pacific. Tropical convection increased near the Date Line, which is consistent with weak El Niño conditions, but also remained elevated over eastern Indonesia, which is further westward than expected (Fig. 6). Thus, the atmosphere and ocean indicate borderline ENSO-neutral/ weak El Niño conditions.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Same here. There are scary things happening and I don't want to worry about my children.

i didn't wanna pay to raise any children...

[vh rides again]

I sense a Ted Nugent move right there...

Well there is actual proof with satellite video of the rain forests producing their own weather systems by releasing oxygen and moisture into the atmosphere, you can actually see it.

I don't quite get the Ted Nugent thing.


Roth And Roll

[Satan]

The new Frontline looks interesting as well.....

In a special investigation travel to the remote epicenter of the campaign finance debate for a tale of money, politics, and intrigue. Also, FRONTLINE goes deep inside the Romney and Obama campaigns to uncover how data collected is being used by both camps to target their messages, get out the vote, and shape the election.

[FORD]

Why Jill Stein went to the front line of the climate crisis today
Posted by Jill Stein for President 2581.80pc on October 31, 2012 · Flag

In the wake of Hurricane Sandy, Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein was handcuffed and arrested this morning after bringing food and supplies to a coalition of climate justice activists, known as the “Tar Sands Blockade,” who are attempting to stop the Keystone XL pipeline in Texas. She is currently at Wood County Jail awaiting processing.

“Everyone needs to step up resistance to climate-killing emissions,” said Stein, who was willing to risk arrest in order to show solidarity for this blockade. “Romney and Obama are only talking about the symptoms of climate change in terms of destruction caused by Hurricane Sandy; the blockaders are addressing the cause.”

Jill Stein was joined by seven others, including three blockaders and four members of the press. They were delivering fresh fruits and vegetables, canned proteins, trail mix, and Halloween candy. They were not warned of imminent arrests; and the arresting officers did not self-identify as police.

Prior to running for office, Jill Stein, a 62-year old physician and mother of two, had never been arrested.

"Climate change means more frequent severe storms that lead to massive flooding and destruction,” said Stein, speaking at the ongoing protests in Texas against the proposed Keystone XL natural gas project. “We will see more destructive storms than Sandy in the years to come. We have to stop spending our tax dollars to build homes in low-lying coastal areas and flood plains. The billions spent rebuilding the NYC subway system must reflect that sea levels will continue to rise.” Stein noted that the flooding of the NYC subway system had been predicted in several recent climate change reports prepared for the state government.

Stein has been the only national presidential candidate who has made dealing with climate change a major focus. She supports reducing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere to below 350 ppm. The Green New Deal, the centerpiece of her campaign, includes investing hundreds of billions of dollars to transition to a carbon neutral economy, paid for through cuts to the military budget, elimination of subsidies for fossil fuels and nukes, and higher taxes on the wealthy and Wall Street.

"We can't just listen to climate change scientists for a few days after a disaster occurs, before politicians go back to business as usual. America has been both the major contributor to climate change and the major denier of the need for action. Obama and Romney's push to develop more domestic fossil fuels will accelerate our rush down the path of destruction while increasing the profits of the oil, coal and gas companies," added Cheri Honkala, the Green Vice-Presidential candidate.

The world already has five times as much oil, coal and gas available as climate scientists say the atmosphere can tolerate. So rather than drill for more fossil fuels, we must keep 80 percent of those reserves locked away safely underground to avoid a climate disaster.

While recognizing that climate change is already underway, Stein has laid out a number of major steps that should be taken to slow it down. Stein said that the government must also begin investing in how to mitigate its impacts.

"A major reason why our political and business leaders have failed to take action on climate change is because too many of them believe that it will be cheaper to deal with the consequences of climate change than to reduce it. The economic and human costs from Hurricane Sandy shows this to be the wrong calculation," said Stein.

A recent report commissioned by 20 nations found that 400,000 people are already being killed annually by climate change, while costing the world economy more than $1.2 trillion a year. (http://daraint.org/wp-content/upload...rontMatter.pdf)

To read more about why activists are opposing the Keystone XL pipeline visit: http://tarsandsblockade.org/about-2/why-oppose-kxl/

[jhale667]

[BigBadBrian]

I see Jill Stein got arrested again.

[Angel]

Speaking of blizzards, got the first of the season. A foot of snow on the ground now. At 7 this morning there was none.

Sent from my GS2, bitches

[ELVIS]

I see Jill Stein got arrested again.

Maybe you should try reading the threads once in awhile...

[Nitro Express]

It's not just weather patterns. There has been a huge increase of volcanic and seismic activity. Change yes, but change that is much bigger than anything we could do.

[gbranton]

Nothing like nice anecdotal factoids to combat actual science. I'm pretty sure when I walk and drive around, the ground seems flat--therefore the Earth must be flat!!

More anecdotal factoids. Looks like I wasn't the only one who experienced a cooler summer, LOL.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html?goback=.gde_40850_member_186903589

"The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.

The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.

This means that the ‘plateau’ or ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years."

When the world finally wakes up to the magnitude of this sham, will the assholes responsible for this shell game like Al Gore be tried and jailed as they should be?

[Nickdfresh]

More anecdotal factoids. Looks like I wasn't the only one who experienced a cooler summer, LOL.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html?goback=.gde_40850_member_186903589

"The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.

The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.

This means that the ‘plateau’ or ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years."

When the world finally wakes up to the magnitude of this sham, will the assholes responsible for this shell game like Al Gore be tried and jailed as they should be?

A pile of shit, junk science article that relies on basic cherry-picking of dates misleading facts:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/updraft/archive/2012/10/british_met_office_refutes_mis.shtml

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/met-office-in-the-media-14-october-2012/

The only sham is lying idiot writers for conservative newspapers sucking the cock of the fossil fuel industry...

From the first link:

2) The Daily Mail piece seems to have "cherry picked" a high point of warming in 1997, and a relative low point in 2012 to get a "level" temperature trend.

[tbone888]

Here's an interesting article possibly explaining the drop of temps from 1940's -70's and increase in the last 40 years or so.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GISSTemperature/giss_temperature4.php

[gbranton]

A pile of shit, junk science article that relies on basic cherry-picking of dates misleading facts:

It doesn't agree with your narrative, so you discredit it and shit all over it. SHOCKER!!!

How ironic that you call it junk science, that's all the theories of MAN MADE global warming are is junk science. If it weren't junk science it's proponents wouldn't have to use propaganda, misinformation, peer pressure and intimidation to push it forward.