Feds Lie, People Die in Hurricane Sandy Aftermath

[ELVIS]

Hurricane Sandy is another reminder of just how incredibly fragile the thin veneer of civilization that we all take for granted on a daily basis really is. Many of the hardest hit areas along the Jersey shore and the coast of Long Island have descended into a state of anarchy.

Paul Joseph Watson

[sadaist]

Many of the hardest hit areas along the Jersey shore and the coast of Long Island have descended into a state of anarchy

Yeah dude. People rioting and looting and totally unprepared for some rain and the only way they can survive is if government flies in and saves the day.

(yeah yeah, i know the storm was a big one)

But this should scare the fuck out of everyone for if some real shit hits the fan one of these days. What happens when New York & Los Angeles are nuked? What happens when a major solar storm knocks out ALL power and communications around the globe? What happens when an asteroid hits and causes 3 months of darkness from the dust it kicks up? Gonna be a lot of I Am Legend going on.

We are not prepared.

[vandeleur]

Thought you were all prepared in America , all survivalists and stuff .
Here in the uk we might not even notice if Armageddon happened . Fuck we still had rationing from world war 2 until the mid 80's

[BigBadBrian]

Another nut-job thread. How did the government lie?

They're not doing a good job in the aftermath, but they warned the people it was going to be a bad storm.

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah dude. People rioting and looting and totally unprepared for some rain and the only way they can survive is if government flies in and saves the day.

(yeah yeah, i know the storm was a big one)

But this should scare the fuck out of everyone for if some real shit hits the fan one of these days. What happens when New York & Los Angeles are nuked? What happens when a major solar storm knocks out ALL power and communications around the globe? What happens when an asteroid hits and causes 3 months of darkness from the dust it kicks up? Gonna be a lot of I Am Legend going on.

We are not prepared.

We are as prepared as we can be realistically when FEMA becomes a political football and idiots like Romney think everything should be run by the states or privatized. As far as gov't, what else is there? No shit things rapidly descend into anarchy and every Mad Max/Walking Dead/The Day After/Lord of the Flies cliche there is. What other option is there? Pretty much none. I've even seen the mere threat of a huge snowstorm/blizzard turn people into douchy thugs and thieves at Wal-Mart located in the Southern Tier hick areas of New York. Nobody wants to really pay for a disaster resistant infrastructure, disaster preparedness, and a true Civil Defense. I mean Jesus! FEMA is probably the most benevolent federal agency there is, and World Governmenters piss their pants over "FEMA Camps" and other retarded conspiracy theories driven by the conspiracy-market....

[Nickdfresh]

Another nut-job thread. How did the government lie?

They're not doing a good job in the aftermath, but they warned the people it was going to be a bad storm.

I agree it's another Alex Jones attention whore, nutter thread...

We can realistically argue about whether the gov't at all levels is responding as efficiently or as well as they should be. But what are the specific complaints about government here? Government doesn't control the utilities, only regulates them. The real problem is the power being off for too long. Gas mains that weren't shut off sooner. And the fact that CON Ed seems more interested in keeping Times Square neon billboards on than insuring power can be quickly reestablished to residential areas. But that's a pre-storm infrastructure issue and a utilities issue where the same people that are complaining about taxes and government are the first to piss and moan as to why it isn't instantly fixing everything...

The same people here who habitually argue that gov't cannot run things as well as the private sector are missing the complete irony in their argument as it applies on a case-by-case basis...

[ELVIS]

[ELVIS]

Fema out of water, no delivery until monday

FEMA's vaunted "lean forward" strategy that called for advanced staging of supplies for emergency distribution failed to live up to its billing in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Sandy.
In fact, the agency appears to have been completely unprepared to distribute bottled water to Hurricane Sandy victims when the storm hit this Monday. In contrast to its stated policy, FEMA failed to have any meaningful supplies of bottled water -- or any other supplies, for that matter -- stored in nearby facilities as it had proclaimed it would on its website. This was the case despite several days advance warning of the impending storm.

FEMA only began to solicit bids for vendors to provide bottled water for distribution to Hurricane Sandy victims on Friday, sending out a solicitation request for 2.3 million gallons of bottled water at the FedBizOpps.gov website. Bidding closed at 4:30 pm eastern.

Breitbart News spoke with contracting officer Annette Wright, who said that the winning vendor would be required to deliver the 2.3 million gallons of bottled water to an East Farmingdale, New York distribution center that was listed in the solicitation request by Monday, November 5th. Ms. Wright was unable to say when or how the water would be delivered from the distribution center to needy Hurricane Sandy victims in New Jersey, Staten Island, Long Island, and other boroughs of New York City. Vendors "are currently being evaluated," she said, and when the vendors are announced, they will provide information on how local distribution will occur.

[Satan]

Breitbart News??

Isn't that an oxymoron like "Jumbo Shrimp" or "Clean Coal"?

[ELVIS]

Or like "government innovation" or "limited government" ??

[sadaist]

We are as prepared as we can be realistically when FEMA becomes a political football and idiots like Romney think everything should be run by the states or privatized. As far as gov't, what else is there? No shit things rapidly descend into anarchy and every Mad Max/Walking Dead/The Day After/Lord of the Flies cliche there is. What other option is there? Pretty much none. I've even seen the mere threat of a huge snowstorm/blizzard turn people into douchy thugs and thieves at Wal-Mart located in the Southern Tier hick areas of New York. Nobody wants to really pay for a disaster resistant infrastructure, disaster preparedness, and a true Civil Defense. I mean Jesus! FEMA is probably the most benevolent federal agency there is, and World Governmenters piss their pants over "FEMA Camps" and other retarded conspiracy theories driven by the conspiracy-market....

It's a mess dude. Best bet is to take care of yourself & your loved ones so you aren't the ones having 1 slice of pizza last 4 days.

[Nitro Express]

Being prepared starts with the individual. Everyone should have at least a 72 hour kit for each member of the family. Probably the best resource FEMA offers is a website full of information telling individuals how to prepare for various disasters. Next is the community you live in. FEMA itself says the biggest variable to survival is the community you live in. Honestly, some local community organization is way more valuable than centralized federal help right after a disaster happens because those are the people who you are stuck with.

It's like being in a band. Everyone has to do their bit as an individual (nobody can practice your guitar for you) and then you bring it together. If everyone has done their bit, it's much better.

[Nitro Express]

Or like "government innovation" or "limited government" ??

To get fuel to the New York City area they had to suspend government regulations on fuel. Also, Obama himself said he was going to nix the bureaucracy in the federal government to unshackle it from red tape so something could actually be done. This being said, me thinks too much federal government meddling is the problem. To get things done these politicians actually are having to remove pieces of the government because the government is clogging the pipe. They admit it.

[Nickdfresh]

Being prepared starts with the individual. Everyone should have at least a 72 hour kit for each member of the family. Probably the best resource FEMA offers is a website full of information telling individuals how to prepare for various disasters. Next is the community you live in. FEMA itself says the biggest variable to survival is the community you live in. Honestly, some local community organization is way more valuable than centralized federal help right after a disaster happens because those are the people who you are stuck with.

It's like being in a band. Everyone has to do their bit as an individual (nobody can practice your guitar for you) and then you bring it together. If everyone has done their bit, it's much better.

That's just basic common sense. No one needs a bunker, but three days of canned or dry food and water is a must. I don't know how anyone couldn't have that already laying around their house...

[Nitro Express]

Not too many people have common sense anymore and that right there is the base of all our problems. Look at the trend in education over the last 40 years. It's gone from teaching people how to critically think for themselves to standardized testing. We have gone from taking essay tests to filling in bubble sheets. I taught a management class and all my exams were essay. My students hated me but I wanted them to show me how they would use the elements taught in class and apply them in a real world situation. Grading those is a lot more work than running the bubble sheet through the scanner but it's how you teach critical thinking opposed to taking a standardized test. By doing this you hopefully condition people to think for themselves. We need to go back to that. We have too many people just blindly following "The Policy".