A question for those who voted FOR Obama

[BigBadBrian]

Romney essentially lost 2 home states.

True and Ryan "didn't win" Wisconsin either. All 3 states were heavily Democrat and just one candidate won't change that.

[Nickdfresh]

I voted for Obama because he helped bring this country through an economic catastrophe that could have been far worse. His policies stabilized things and will prevent a repeat of such a depression, hopefully. Pres. Obama is essentially not that different from the Liberal Republicans of the Rockefeller era and in many ways is very centrist and is even seen as a center-rightest in some Euro quarters. I also think the GOP needs to be severally punished for its harsh rightist rhetoric and the primary debates that were essentially dick-contests on which highly paid politician/lobbyist hates government more and who would drop the most bombs on Iran...

[ODShowtime]

You're a Libertarian then. Good for you. No sarcasm intended.

That statement is not offensive to me.

[BigBadBrian]

His policies stabilized things .......

Which policies are those? The ones that increased the debt by $5 Trillion or the ones that didn't create any meaningful jobs and kept unemployment sky high? Or the ones that will require tax increases on all tax brackets?

.....for its harsh rightist rhetoric

Which rhetoric is that?

[Kristy]

Do you have kids?

Oh do shut the fuck up. The GOP has always had an piss-poor excuse to keep weed illegal. When the rhetoric of it "leading to harder drugs" failed, the GOP does what it always does and exploit children for fear mongering. "Oh no!" Weed is legal in Colorado! What will happen to our children!!!" For one, weed in this state is talked about as being taxed as high as 15%; not sure how many kids can afford that on a salary of allowance and mowing lawns - like yourself. Two, a child stoned half out of his fucking mind is less likely to pick up a semi automatic rifle and start blowing away a few of his classmates because they may have pushed them into a locker. Three, weed will regulated stronger than alcohol is in this state. That means jail terms for those under 21, driving under the influence will not be tolerated (with even stronger jail terms) and most of all, the tax will go to pay for judge's salaries to keep it that way. With a tax that high, (geddit?) it will take the edge off of taxpayer's burden for schools, roads, etc and put in back into the pockets of the middle class that your fucked up party hates so much thus putting more money into this state's economy. Quit using kids as an excuse.

[Nickdfresh]

Which policies are those? The ones that increased the debt by $5 Trillion or the ones that didn't create any meaningful jobs and kept unemployment sky high? Or the ones that will require tax increases on all tax brackets?

What policies increased the debt? Tax cuts in time of "war"? An economic shithole handed to him by the previous Admin that was in power for eight years and presided over a series of corporate scandals with the look-the-other-way mentality? The policies that allow corporations to enjoy huge loopholes and effectively pay no taxes?

Which rhetoric is that?

Reread my last sentence of the previous post...

BTW, why are you all up in this thread? I don't believe the OP was asking you since you obviously didn't vote for Obama...

[BigBadBrian]

What policies increased the debt? Tax cuts in time of "war"? An economic shithole handed to him by the previous Admin that was in power for eight years and presided over a series of corporate scandals with the look-the-other-way mentality? The policies that allow corporations to enjoy huge loopholes and effectively pay no taxes?

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary. A poor man never gave me a job. Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.

BTW, why are you all up in this thread? I don't believe the OP was asking you since you obviously didn't vote for Obama...

Has that stopped other people in similar threads? There's rules now of who can post in what thread?

[DavidLeeNatra]

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary. A poor man never gave me a job. Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.

the word "fact" is something you really should not use...ever...

[Nickdfresh]

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary. A poor man never gave me a job. Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.

Most of the tax cut mantra in a land of relative moderate taxes is completely unsupportable bullshit and it all relies heavy on correlations (at best). Is Mitt Romney hiring you since he's only paying 14% on his investment interests?

If that's true, then why has the largest round of tax cuts in U.S. history precede one of its worst recessions?

Has that stopped other people in similar threads? There's rules now of who can post in what thread?

No, just curious that you have a massive hard on for this thread...

Maybe you can explain why you voted for Romney?

[Kristy]

A poor man never gave me a job.

No, but he might give you the shirt off his back so to say. Again, do shut the fuck up.

[kwame k]

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary. A poor man never gave me a job. Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.

Jesus tap dancing Christ are you really that gullible and easily mislead that you think tax cuts for the 1% will create jobs?

They've had the easiest tax burden for more than a decade and have created zero jobs........in fact, by not paying a reasonable tax rate and creating next to no jobs, you can say that Dubya's tax breaks for the rich were an abject failure.

How in the fuck can you even be spewing that Repuke fantasy that, 'tax cuts for the rich will create jobs', when after 8 years of those cuts our economy tanked to the point of collapse. Letting the rich have their way only made the rich richer and damn near put us into another Depression.

Come on now.......even you don't believe that deregulating Wall St, the banks, huge tax breaks for mega-corps and the rich is a sound economic policy. If it was, why did the economy tank so bad under Dubya?

Has that stopped other people in similar threads? There's rules now of who can post in what thread?

Never stopped us

[Nickdfresh]

Tax cuts during a stagnant economy are necessary.

We've had some of the largest tax cuts in history the past decade, and an economic meltdown followed within a couple of years! Under Clinton, corporations paid more taxes and things were far more fiscally stable and the economy roared along!

A poor man never gave me a job.

A lot of trust-fund douchebags who inherited their wealth and do nothing with it--or run the businesses their hard working parents started into the ground--aren't giving you a job either!

Entitlement programs increased the debt far more than the wars or tax cuts. Fact.

Bullshit! The U.S. defense budget far exceeds "entitlements". Entitlements are also one of the quickest infusions of cash into the economy, far more direct and effective than mindless tax breaks...

[Nitro Express]

Nobody is going to fix shit. Your money is going to buy less. Small businesses will go out of business. The government will run up debt and taxes like you have never seen before and print money like it never has before. The fat cats in charge know this is not sustainable but Bernanke buys time. When it all hits the wall it ain't going to be pretty and there is nothing Obama or the congress can do about it. They will live their pampered lives for a bit more but even for them, things will turn as a gullible public feels the pain and the love fest ends. Grab a life boat while you can folks. The wad is shot.

[ZahZoo]

Silvio... I doubt you'll get a definitive answer from this gang... the thread has already deteriorated to business as usual bullshit. No surprise.

I've a lot of honest discussions with people the last couple of months on this election... What drives people's choice in voting falls into some fairly common categories...

Party affiliation... no matter the character or good or bad leadership qualities... some folks just can't act outside the party affiliation.

Religious affiliation... this one troubles me a lot. I recognize that many people build social cultures around their church and religion. That's a very traditional culture in the US and many other countries. The issue I have is just because someone attends the same church doesn't mean they will make decisions aligned with yours. So I find that using that as comfort basis to choose a candidate as not very wise. History has shown... whatever religion a President is... really has little basis for successfully leading the nation. Plus among the predominate Western Judeo-Christian faiths... there's really no significant variance in the morale foundations that would drive decision making in any radical direction.

Race affiliation... I hope this needs no explanation. If that's one's motivation... so be it. To me it's no basis for judging leadership ability in any way shape or form.

I look at casting a vote primarily on the basis of leadership qualities. Campaign speeches and jockeying mean little to me nor sway my choices. I recognize that one person... even in the presidential seat can't influence changes or policy on their own. I look to people who have a record of compromise and working with others. I pay attention to their vision and see if they have the ability to motivate others but show strength when challenged.

I won't say who I voted for... but I will say this year I covered just about every party affiliation available on the ballot. Not all of my choice won... but I didn't feel stupid or just make a guess when I punched the ballot.

[Nitro Express]

until We the People stand up and refuse to let these politicians play these childish games........we'll keep getting the government we deserve.

Exactly. I don't blame the politicians or even the bankers. I blame the short-sighted, greedy, and inept American people. They were given the great gift of self-government and blew it. They let a bunch of con artists come in, loot the country, take over, and now they are saddling the people and their kids and future generations with a huge bill. Nobody did a thing. They just sat on the couch and watched TV. For the record, both parties are guilty. Oh boy Obama got back in and congress is the same after billions of dollars were spend on campaigns. It's all a bad joke. Why is continuing to do the same thing that we have been doing going to fix anything? More unemployment insurance and food stamps is not going to change things. Destroying full time jobs with benefits and replacing them with temp jobs isn't going to fix anything. Making energy more expensive won't change anything. Those idiots in Washington live in a pampered bubble. Do you really think they get it?