During Obama's Second Term, Will He...

[ELVIS]

Both administrations after the fact have tried to throw the Intelligence Agency under the bus.

Like Scott Ritter ??

[kwame k]

That's my point. I think Bush having a hard-on to invade Iraq was utter bullshit and wrong.



When it's Clinton's turn to get up in front and is called upon to testify about the Libya attack and what her and the president knew an when did they know it, will be no different. Both administrations after the fact have tried to throw the Intelligence Agency under the bus.

Clinton already came out publicly and said she fucked up and it was her fault......so I imagine that's what she'll say in the hearings.

[Nickdfresh]

That's my point. I think Bush having a hard-on to invade Iraq was utter bullshit and wrong.



When it's Clinton's turn to get up in front and is called upon to testify about the Libya attack and what her and the president knew an when did they know it, will be no different. Both administrations after the fact have tried to throw the Intelligence Agency under the bus.

Bush was an easily led dolt. He himself probably didn't really think much about Iraq, but the Neo Con cunts in his Admin pushed him towards war with increasingly bizarre rationales trying to tie the work of an Islamic extremist group of terrorist jihadists to a secular Pan-Arab Nationalist in Hussein who idolized Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin more than he did any Muslim...

[Nickdfresh]

Oh really ??

Dude, you believe the guber'ment was behind 9/11, but yet you question the notion regarding the WMD fallacy?

In any case, a lot of people thought Iraq still had WMD's. Even a lot of people that basically said "so fucking what?" Iran has WMD's. Syria has WMD's. Israel has WMD's. There was however very little evidence of it and the Admin fixed it's sources to to only ones that indicating that Iraq had WMD's, including dubious bullshitters like (Google it) Curveball...

[Nickdfresh]

You mean the same Intelligent Agency and CIA that labeled the attack in Libya a protest were the same that said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

You can't blame the CIA for that. The Bush Admin picked and chose which intelligence they believed and which intelligence (indicating that Iraq might not have WMD's) they disposed of and ignored. The only CIA people they listened too were ass-feltching yesmen..

[Nitro Express]

Bush was an easily led dolt. He himself probably didn't really think much about Iraq, but the Neo Con cunts in his Admin pushed him towards war with increasingly bizarre rationales trying to tie the work of an Islamic extremist group of terrorist jihadists to a secular Pan-Arab Nationalist in Hussein who idolized Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin more than he did any Muslim...

I knew the chimp wasn't in charge when he was riding his bicycle in a park and Dick Cheney had to be put in the White House bunker when a private aircraft flew into restricted air space. It's 10 AM in Washington and we are at war and the president has time to ride a bicycle in a park? Most people running an average business don't have time to ride a bicycle in a park at 10AM during business hours. And then Iraq. Nobody from Iraq attacked us.

Monkey boy is riding his bike and Darth Chenney is in the east wing getting some work done. We would have been better off if Cheney was a goofball too. Nothing would have gotten done but that would have been better than what he did.

[kwame k]

Oh really ??

Really.......Hans Blix ring a bell.

[baru911]

As I said, Obama is responsible for picking a shitty economic team in his cabinet. Timmy the Elf needs to be sacked immediately.

But you have to remember that Clinton really hadn't undone the mess that Poppy Bush (gee, is there a pattern here?) left him in his first term either. But in the second term, he ended up leaving with a surplus.

These things take time. And Chimpy's pile of shit was much larger than his father's.

What surplus? Nice LIBERAL lie there. Bill stole from Peter to pay Paul to make it look like he was doing something. That's pretty well documented. Was this "surplus" put in some special account somewhere for safe keeping? I ask as the following Treasury chart shows the National Debt keep going up during Cigar Bill's time in office at the same rate his pecker did with the gal that kept his DNA safe. Funny how you can have a "surplus" but your debt keeps going up. What a load.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm

[Nickdfresh]

What surplus? Nice LIBERAL lie there. Bill stole from Peter to pay Paul to make it look like he was doing something. That's pretty well documented. Was this "surplus" put in some special account somewhere for safe keeping...

Yes, but the Bush admin you voted for broke the glass and raped it to death...

[Satan]

It's silly how you think it's all one-sided...

The ownership of the electro-fraud machines - and therefore control of the software which rigs the votes IS one sided. There are no electro-fraud machines owned by Demoncrats.

[BigBadBrian]

Nice stretch..........Libya and Iraq are so similar. Give me a break.

They had the same agencies providing intel.

Everyone knew there weren't no WMD's or better yet none that we didn't give him back in the 80's.

Everyone automatically assumes WMD means nuclear weapons but it also includes Chemical and Biological weapons.

So many "dual use" insecticide and other chemical precursors were found in Iraq that there were enough to kill all the bugs on the earth several times over. Iraq also had a record of using chemical weapons, both on Iranians and it's own people.

[kwame k]

They had the same agencies providing intel.

The circumstances are polar opposites though..........comparing Libya to Iraq, come on now.

Everyone automatically assumes WMD means nuclear weapons but it also includes Chemical and Biological weapons.

So many "dual use" insecticide and other chemical precursors were found in Iraq that there were enough to kill all the bugs on then earth several times over. Iraq also had a record of using chemical weapons, both on Iranians and it's own people.

We know he used them on the Kurds and on the Iranians and more than likely got them from us.

He had a biological program but by all accounts it was destroyed durning the first Gulf War...........it was nowhere near a threat and the UN said so.

As was pointed out, it wasn't an intelligence failure.........and the Neo-cons wanted to war with Iraq. Remember the Downing Street memo and we started bombing Iraq way before Dubya had Congressional approval to use force.

They wanted to invade Iraq since day one of Dubya's administration....you know it and history has proven it.

[BigBadBrian]

and we started bombing Iraq way before Dubya had Congressional approval to use force.

Sort of like Obama used US Forces in Libya before he had Congress......oh, that's right....he NEVER did have Congressional approval.

They wanted to invade Iraq since day one of Dubya's administration....you know it and history has proven it.

The Middle East....Iraq and the US....you know what they say: eventually the two toughest kids on the block are going to fight. It was going to happen eventually.

[kwame k]

Never lied to get it either...........

How does the death of 4 people, as regrettable as that is, equate to trillions of dollars wasted and 100's of thousands killed or wounded like in Iraq?

[Nickdfresh]

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So many "dual use" insecticide and other chemical precursors were found in Iraq that there were enough to kill all the bugs on the earth several times over...

That's bullshit "reaching" and you know it. Iraq had no effective means to deliver chemical weapons nor any real militarized stocks of them...