George Will: ‘Quite Literally, The Opposition To Gay Marriage Is Dying’

[sadaist]

Most fundagelicals haven't actually read the Bible. They carry it to church every Sunday (and possibly the Wednesday night prayer meetings) and maybe open to read along with the cherry picked handful of verses that their pastor bases his sermon on. Which are usually taken out of context and twisted to fit a right wing political agenda.

But as far as reading the complete Old and New Testaments.... doubt they ever have, or ever will.

Maybe atheists just read the Bible like it was any other book?

I threw my bible away in March of 2010. Would rather have a Dr Suess book on my nightstand. Does just as much good plus it rhymes.

[Seshmeister]

Don't remember Jesus saying anything like that.

Paul did though. He pretty much had a hangup about sex of any kind.... gay...straight....married or unmarried.... he thought it was all "wrong". And the Catholic church built an entire religious hierarchy on that crazy idea.

(well except for the ones who fuck children anyway)

Jesus himself never marries, and only comments on marriage when he commands his followers to abandon their wives and children to follow him (see Matthew 19:29; Mark 10:28-30; Luke 9:57-62). Jesus orders his followers to abandon their families. What kind of family values do Christians think they are getting from Jesus anyhow? To emphasize the point, Jesus even takes the time to provide instruction to his followers on how to divorce their wives (see Matthew 19:5; Mark 10:8).


As for Paul, you nailed it.

In modern terms Paul is the cult leader. He is the one that took some stories and built a religion out of it and through him come a lot of these sexual hangups which have dogged Christianity ever since.

As is often pointed out, the Jesus character doesn't even mention homosexuals never mind criticize anal escapades and suchlike.

[Seshmeister]

Maybe atheists just read the Bible like it was any other book?

Actually sitting down and reading the thing rather than the 'cosy' little passages the preachers read out converts a lot of people from agnosticism to plain atheism.

I think that's part of the reason the church used to set fire to people who made it easier for people to read it in their own language.

If the god of the bible exists then he is a total twat and you can quote me on that.

[BigBadBrian]

I find it as bizarre that Sesh (and most devout athiests and God-haters) know so much about the Bible

Don't worry...it's quite evident from his posts here that Sesh really doesn't know ANYTHING about the Bible or Christianity, though i do agree with him in the religion poll thread that Mormonism IS NOT a denomination of Christianity.

[tbone888]

Lots of stereotypes/hatred here as well

[jhale667]

Don't worry...it's quite evident from his posts here that Sesh really doesn't know ANYTHING about the Bible or Christianity, though i do agree with him in the religion poll thread that Mormonism IS NOT a denomination of Christianity.

What's really quite evident is the fact that you haven't the slightest clue what the fuck you're talking about 99% of the time, yet you prattle on. Sesh has forgotten more about the Bible and Christianity than you'll ever know.

[Seshmeister]

To be fair I have forgotten a lot...

I never post expecting to influence Brian really, I think he is too far gone on this subject. I post for the people with open minds who may read one one of my posts on this and then go look at it themselves and make up their own minds.

Because most of us got some religious indoctrination in childhood there are sometimes things that are right there in front of you that you totally miss until you take a tiny step back.

Like recently I've been thinking about how astonishing it is that preachers,priests and the Jesus character constantly use the metaphor of sheep and shepherds.

Sheep are just about the dumbest animals anyone of that time would have contact with. Unthinking easily led dumb animals.

Next time you here a pastor talk about his flock think about it that way for a minute.

[jhale667]

But you're supposed to think of yourself as a sheep, yes? Wasn't the original sin the (metaphoric) pursuit of knowledge? I mean, look how thinking for themselves went for humanity! Jeebus take the wheel!