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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32798

    Originally posted by jacksmar
    http://www.guns.com/2013/02/14/olymp...w-enforcement/

    Firearm manufacturer Olympic Arms announced that they will no longer sell to New York law enforcement in protest of the gun control laws recently passed there.

    Olympic Arms“Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines. We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller — 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago — 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller — 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.”

    “Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity — will no longer be served as customers.”

    “In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York — henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.”
    Theres a couple AR-15 manufactures. The guns have been popular over the years because you can customize them easy. If you have a bench vise and a few special AR-15 Tools you can make what you want. The barrels screw in and can be changed easy. There are a zillion different kinds of parts you can buy. Most the people I know who have AR-15's built their own guns and there are all these debates who makes the best parts. I hear Olympic mentioned quite a bit but it seems like everyone is into Rock River Arsenal receivers. They have a lot of material around the front hinge point that always seems to crack and break over time. There's a zillion AR-15 parts out there and some are good and some suck.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32798

      Originally posted by jhale667
      There is no Tea Party. I've never seen it on any ballot I have voted on. Exactly what is it? Apparently the libs thinks it's a militia or something.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • jacksmar
        Full Member Status

        • Feb 2004
        • 3533

        Originally posted by Nitro Express
        There is no Tea Party. I've never seen it on any ballot I have voted on. Exactly what is it? Apparently the libs thinks it's a militia or something.
        Al Race Pimpdaddy Sharpton

        “First of all, if the government were to come to disarm you, you would not be able to use an automatic weapon to defend yourself. Let’s be serious. We’re in a world of drones now so the Second Amendment would not help you in that area. It is absurd to try to cite that,” said Sharpton.
        A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          Oh yeah, Al ??

          See what one man who knows how to operate a weapon can do in California ??

          They had to burn that fucker out...

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49219

            Originally posted by ELVIS
            Oh yeah, Al ??

            See what one man who knows how to operate a weapon can do in California ??

            They had to burn that fucker out...
            And what one man with a weapon did in Connecticut! He wiped out all those tough school kids and offed himself! Bad ass!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32798

              Originally posted by jacksmar
              Al Race Pimpdaddy Sharpton

              “First of all, if the government were to come to disarm you, you would not be able to use an automatic weapon to defend yourself. Let’s be serious. We’re in a world of drones now so the Second Amendment would not help you in that area. It is absurd to try to cite that,” said Sharpton.
              You still can't take real estate without men and rifles. We bombed the hell out of North Vietnam and they just dug in and waited us out. Drones just shoot or drop the same old weapons. I love how the liberals are sounding all militant these days. Turn em in, we have better weapons than you. A liberal is a non conformist who believes people should be left alone to do whatever they want. I'm not seeing too many liberals these days. They are mostly warmongering thugs pointing to drones all the time now.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • jacksmar
                Full Member Status

                • Feb 2004
                • 3533

                As a result of the recent NY SAFE ACt we have halted sales of rifles, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers to New York governmental agencies...


                Buxton, ME --(Ammoland.com)- Based on the recent legislation in New York, we are prohibited from selling rifles and receivers to residents of New York.

                We have chosen to extend that prohibition to all governmental agencies associated with or located within New York.

                As a result we have halted sales of rifles, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers to New York governmental agencies.
                A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49219

                  Originally posted by Nitro Express
                  You still can't take real estate without men and rifles.
                  I agree. But with certain caveats. But yes, men (and now women) with personal weapons will be an essential part of war for the foreseeable future...

                  We bombed the hell out of North Vietnam and they just dug in and waited us out.
                  Not exactly. There weren't many strategic targets because the North Vietnamese really didn't make the vast majority of their imported weapons. So bombing was only so effective, but one could argue that when the U.S. took its largely self-imposed gloves off and really hammered the North and began attacking their air defenses and Mig bases, they caved and negotiated in 1972, albeit in very bad faith. It was the absence of American air power coupled with a semi-arms embargo there that probably led to the fall of the South Vietnamese gov't...

                  Drones just shoot or drop the same old weapons.
                  So? You ever see what a Hellfire can do? They also can drop small bombs, because the ideal is to keep the size of the explosions down. Drones probably could carry heavier weapons I'm guessing...

                  I love how the liberals are sounding all militant these days. Turn em in, we have better weapons than you. A liberal is a non conformist who believes people should be left alone to do whatever they want. I'm not seeing too many liberals these days. They are mostly warmongering thugs pointing to drones all the time now.
                  What "liberals" are saying "turn them in?" The fundamental argument is that some think that a heavily armed nation will insure civil liberties against a rogue government, which is sort of shit when one takes a long view of history. Even in the Revolution and War of 1812, the American and (to a certain, lessor extent) the Canadian Militias armed with the same weapons as British or properly trained U.S. regular Army soldiers were of no match in conventional battle. The truth is they were of limited use even in guerrilla warfare.

                  Having lots of military style semi-assault rifles around doesn't guarantee anything. If that were the case, the Federal gov't wouldn't be able to basically squash terrorists like the SLA or the Aryan movements so easily. And just because the whole population isn't armed doesn't mean that a gov't can murder its citizens with impunity as Libya and Syria show...
                  Last edited by Nickdfresh; 02-15-2013, 04:57 PM.

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                  • jacksmar
                    Full Member Status

                    • Feb 2004
                    • 3533

                    A Colorado company is threatening to leave the state if a bill to ban high-capacity ammunition magazines becomes law.


                    Company Threatens To Leave Colorado If Ammo Limit Law Is Passed

                    ERIE, Colo. (CBS4) – A Colorado company is threatening to leave the state if a bill to ban high-capacity ammunition magazines becomes law.

                    CBS4 Investigator Rick Sallinger toured the company in Erie. They said they would certainly prefer to stay.

                    The company is called Magpul. Among other products, they make ammunition magazines which can hold up to 30 rounds. Tuesday night a state House committee took the first step towards banning them.

                    Magpul is one of the largest producers of the high-capacity magazines in the country.

                    “Actually, every product you see here being made today on these magazine assembly lines would be affected by the bill,” Duane Liptak with Magpul told Sallinger during the tour.

                    The company’s chief operating officer, Doug Smith, made it clear to the state legislature that if the bill becomes law they will leave Colorado.

                    “We will be forced to take our operation and business activity through our subcontractors and suppliers out of the state,” Smith told lawmakers.

                    The bill in its present form would ban magazines carry over 15 rounds. Magpul has those that carry more, as displayed on its website.

                    The company has some 200 workers. It says another 400 suppliers and contractors would be affected by a move. But the committee chairman, Rep. Daniel Kagan, D-Cherry Hills Village, insisted there is no need to move.

                    “Your understanding of the bill is completely wrong,” Kagan said. “There is no restriction on manufacturing high-capacity magazines or anything else in the state of Colorado.”

                    Liptak said that’s not accurate.

                    “It may be not have been what they intended when they drafted the language, however that’s exactly how the bill reads,” Liptak said.

                    Magpul calls itself a “proud Colorado company,” but says in part for ideological reasons it cannot stay if the state bans one of its major products.
                    A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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                    • jacksmar
                      Full Member Status

                      • Feb 2004
                      • 3533

                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      What "liberals" are saying "turn them in?" .
                      Missouri Democrat state Rep. Rory Ellinger has put forth H.B. 545, which would ban "assault weapons" and many semi-automatic pistols. It would give owners of said weapons 90 days to either turn them in or get them out of the state...


                      MO Democrat Proposes Gun Ban, 90 Days to Turn in ‘Assault Weapons’

                      Washington DC - -(Ammoland.com)- Missouri Democrat state Rep. Rory Ellinger has put forth H.B. 545, which would ban “assault weapons” and many semi-automatic pistols. It would give owners of said weapons 90 days to either turn them in or get them out of the state.

                      After 90 days, those in possession of such weapons would face class “C” felony charges.

                      The legislation defines an “assault weapon” as a rifle with a detachable magazine and any “one or more of the following: a pistol grip or thumbhole stock… protruding grip that can be held by nontrigger hand, a folding or telescoping stock, [or] a shroud attached to the barrel” that protects the shooter from being burned from the heat of barrel.

                      The legislation also bans semi-automatic pistols with a fixed magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds or a detachable magazine and “one or more of the following” features: “a protruding grip,” “a folding stock,” or “a shroud attached to the barrel” that protects the shooter from being burned from the heat of the barrel.

                      The legislation applies similar ban rules to semi-automatic shotguns.

                      Concerned Missourians should contact their state representatives and tell them to oppose H.B. 545.
                      A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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                      • clarathecarrot
                        Full Member Status

                        • May 2010
                        • 3588

                        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                        And what one man with a weapon did in Connecticut! He wiped out all those tough school kids and offed himself! Bad ass!

                        I already anwered that question...but, when you remove supposed -trollpost- you remove pertinant information that makes the thread dissjointed, like this one is, it should be two pages longer.

                        This post of mine was in the cop shooter thread, but it is still exactly the rebuttle you need, Nick.





                        Originally posted by clarathecarrot
                        I don't want to instigate fear in anyone or elevate this cop killer guy but the sad thing is as applied towards that school shooting and many other attacks.

                        The government wants the magazines and assault weapons to protect innocents from attack that has to be true doesn't it...?

                        However this cop killer scenario and that school yard gives a heavy lesson that one man can do much damage and the government fears that, of us,.. and that is why it was put in the Constitution to keep the government in check.

                        The government is a machine if left unchecked can destroy us.. WE!! are the important part of this thing called life. Not the machine.

                        The officials and thier greed will have no fear and the end will come when we have not that ability to control it thru honesty justice and firepower.

                        Let's hope that never comes to light.

                        Waiting for the government to eat itself alive is wrong acting before the need is wrong...so what is reight hope that your representative will do the right thing...who know ask some LA Mayor and some Chicago mayors about that Cocain nose and it's need to feed.
                        Last edited by clarathecarrot; 02-15-2013, 02:06 PM.
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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49219

                          Originally posted by jacksmar
                          http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/mo-d...#axzz2KzUZBkFU

                          MO Democrat Proposes Gun Ban, 90 Days to Turn in ‘Assault Weapons’

                          Washington DC - -(Ammoland.com)- Missouri Democrat state Rep. Rory Ellinger has put forth H.B. 545, which would ban “assault weapons” and many semi-automatic pistols. It would give owners of said weapons 90 days to either turn them in or get them out of the state.

                          After 90 days, those in possession of such weapons would face class “C” felony charges.

                          The legislation defines an “assault weapon” as a rifle with a detachable magazine and any “one or more of the following: a pistol grip or thumbhole stock… protruding grip that can be held by nontrigger hand, a folding or telescoping stock, [or] a shroud attached to the barrel” that protects the shooter from being burned from the heat of barrel.

                          The legislation also bans semi-automatic pistols with a fixed magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds or a detachable magazine and “one or more of the following” features: “a protruding grip,” “a folding stock,” or “a shroud attached to the barrel” that protects the shooter from being burned from the heat of the barrel.

                          The legislation applies similar ban rules to semi-automatic shotguns.

                          Concerned Missourians should contact their state representatives and tell them to oppose H.B. 545.

                          I'm not sure I believe everything coming from "Ammoland." But even if it is completely true and not taken out of context, it's still one state level representative tantamount to saying imminent internet censorship because one fuckwit in the Georgia State House thinks photoshops should be banned if they're mean...

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49219

                            Originally posted by clarathecarrot
                            I already anwered that question...but, when you remove supposed -trollpost- you remove pertinant information that makes the thread dissjointed, like this one is, it should be two pages longer.

                            This post of mine was in the cop shooter thread, but it is still exactly the rebuttle you need, Nick.


                            http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...=1#post1744865
                            No you didn't. You just basically resurrected your "Why Cops All Suck" rant in an issue that had nothing to do with your shitty life...

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                            • lesfunk
                              Full Member Status

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 3583

                              Obama Care amendment inadvertently Fucks the Anti Gun Fascists

                              AWR HAWKINS 9 Jan 2013

                              Good news -- it has become known that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms.
                              It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.
                              According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot use doctors to collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition."
                              CNN is calling it "a gift to the nation's powerful gun lobby."
                              And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), that's exactly right. He says he added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010.
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                              • Nitro Express
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 32798

                                Harry Reid put that in the bill so appease the gun lobby.
                                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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