The Gun Control Thread
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The European model for gun control does work in the context of this thread. The thread is about "gun control".
In the UK, an affray can be considered a violent crime but may be logged different only if a person is injured and logged entirely different in another country. This doesn't say whether a gun was used in the crime in most cases.
I'm not interested in any other country and how guns have made Kings and dictators over centuries and how the peons and peasants had to revolt. I'm only interested in results within the context of US gun control.
There over 2000 laws that apply to citizens on US gun control. Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC all have draconian gun laws and the crime rates are higher. So in the context of gun control, I can only presume you mean gun removal.
In 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a handgun in the home. Bad news for those cities mentioned.
In Florida, we're about to go to 1 million conceal carry licenses. Your president is the cause whether you want to believe that or not.
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Drugs are for people who can't think straight and have the need to to not think straight.
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I'm a 185 pound asshole Nick. I'll be the first to tell you I'm self centered and arrogant and in fantastic shape. ( heh )
This about crime. The kid stole the guns and committed crimes. The common theme is the extreme brutality that criminals apply to victims. Criminals willing to commit a crime such as a home break in are fully prepared to play out any extreme physical violence or death. The disregard for victims is chillingly inhuman.
I honestly believe the difference between you and me is this: what can happen vs. won't happen to me.
Here's my example:
In 1997, a drugged up criminal came in with a shotgun attempted to rob restaurant the I was in. Two customers with CCW licenses were watching this go forward. Neither were aware of each other. The robber became upset when the waitress couldn't open the cash box.
We both fired at the same time both using .22 magnum revolvers. The robber was hit once and he ran outside to his car breaking his shotgun on the door frame. Arrested at the hospital.
Most of us are not Tim McVeigh or militia members. But let me tie this to current events. This is a 1% issue not a 99% issue. 99% of the U.S. will never face a life or death situation. The other 1% does.
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I was held up at gunpoint when I was 19. He got flustered when I couldn't open the safe and just had me fill his bag with the money from the till. Nobody got hurt....except for the PTSD I had to deal with. When it comes to robberies, just give them the fucking money. The business is insured."Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013Comment
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Not surprising, unfortunately....
Sandy Hook Shooting Sparks Gun Sales Surge
Posted: 12/17/2012 5:40 pm EST | Updated: 12/17/2012 7:01 pm EST
The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. has sparked a surge in gun sales, according to independent arms dealers across the nation.
Robert Caselnova, who owns a Connecticut gun shop located less than 10 minutes from the school, said firearms flew off his shelves over the weekend, with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre. Caselnova said he knew the Lanzas and that the mother and son had visited his store in the past, separately, but never made any purchases.
After high-profile shootings, debate over gun control can cause consumer demand for guns to rise, government records have shown. Industry experts say fears that stricter laws will follow such incidents push people to stock up on firearms before regulators can clamp down. But last weekend’s spike in business was unprecedented, gun shop owners in California, Connecticut and North Carolina told HuffPost.
Larry Hyatt, owner of North Carolina-based Hyatt Gun Shop, which claims to be America’s largest independently owned gun store, said he had a line out the door on Saturday, forcing him to call in extra salespeople.
“We already have tons of customers because of Christmas, hunting season is peaking right now, and not to mention, the election,” Hyatt said. “But this tragedy is pushing sales through the roof,” he added. “It’s like putting gasoline on a fire.”
Last weekend’s gun rush caused the federal system that processes background checks for firearm purchases, known as the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, to experience heavy delays. The FBI, which runs the NICS database, declined to comment on the number of background checks it has received since Friday. But Paul Marquardt, owner of ArmsX, a Connecticut-based gun store near Sandy Hook Elementary, said the wait-time on Saturday for a background check was nearly an hour -- the longest wait-time he’s ever seen.
“The two busiest days I’ve witnessed during my four years in the business,” Marquardt said, “was the day after Obama was elected, and ahead of that, last Saturday.”
The Black Friday after the Nov. 6 election, gun sales across the country broke records, crashing the FBI's background check system, according to The Denver Post.
At Ade's Gun Shop in Orange, Calif., manager Lisa Atkinson said Saturday was the biggest day the shop has ever had, with some $13,000 in sales.
"It was the first time we had to call a nearby gun shop to see if they could sell us a gun because we had run out," Atkinson told The Huffington Post. "It's been crazy."
In Arizona, one-day gun sales jumped 60 percent after a gunman killed six people in a Tuscon parking lot and wounded others, including then-U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Similarly, in Colorado, after 12 people were killed inside a suburban movie theater in July, background checks for gun purchases reportedly spiked 41 percent. In the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy, these checks have spiked again, reaching a record-high for the year.
The AR-15 style rifle, a weapon of choice in both the Colorado shooting and last Friday’s shooting in Connecticut, accounted for more than 25 percent of ArmsX’s recent sales, Marquardt said.
Freedom Group, the weapon's manufacturer, reported a 20 percent increase in revenue for the first nine months of this year. “The manufacturers [of the AR-15] can’t keep up with the demand,” Caselnova said.
Not all gun shop owners saw more business over the weekend. Chad Sumner, who works for his family's shooting range and gun shop, Knob Creek Gun Range in West Point, Ky., said the mass shooting did not affect foot traffic, but that the increased talk of an assault weapons ban added an element of uncertainty.
"Another assault weapons ban [would] really limit our sales," he said. "People like the assault weapons. People say they are useless, but so are dragsters. Why do people want to drive a dragster down a drag strip?"
Brandy Liss, owner of the The Arms Room, a shooting range and gun shop in League City, Texas, said she opposed stricter gun laws, noting that Friday's killer had broken dozens of laws during his shooting rampage.
"Most people feel that if teachers had ability to protect themselves, there would have been less casualties," Liss told HuffPost in a phone call on Monday.
Protection and the government's failure to provide it is part of the reason gun sales are rising, Hyatt said, adding that the economic downturn spawned a growing belief among his customers that the U.S. is ill-equipped to safeguard its citizens. “You can’t get enough police to protect us, the jails are full, the mental health system is failing us,” he said. “That’s why more people are buying weapons, to protect themselves and their families.”
Hyatt said he wishes his staff had better information on whether buyers had a history of mental health issues. A 2010 investigation by The Washington Post ranked Hyatt Gun Shop second on a list of American gun dealers that had the most traces for firearms recovered by the police.
“Every gun you sell,” Hyatt added, “you have to worry whether that customer is competent, or whose hands that gun may end up in.”Eat Us And Smile - The Originals
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I was held up at gunpoint when I was 19. He got flustered when I couldn't open the safe and just had me fill his bag with the money from the till. Nobody got hurt....except for the PTSD I had to deal with. When it comes to robberies, just give them the fucking money. The business is insured.
I don't know what you are going to do with that weapon. I don't know if you are just going to shoot me anyways so they better not be too close to me and they better be willing to use it.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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You buy a new gun today it comes with all sorts of safety books and instruction manuals. Most manufactures even give you a safety lock with the gun. If the person bothers to read it all they are pretty well informed on the do's and don'ts.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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At the end of the day in this country anyone involved in politics is a self serving pile of fucking shit ! They might start out with good intentions but............It's ALL about getting their way. Meaning their party. I'm all for having your own beliefs and ideas, but it's so far out of control it's sickning. No give or take. I see inteviews with these people and they down right scare me with their ideas ! And what scares me more is knowing that someone voted for them !I'm ready for the revolution ! Lol.Comment
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I was held up at gunpoint when I was 19. He got flustered when I couldn't open the safe and just had me fill his bag with the money from the till. Nobody got hurt....except for the PTSD I had to deal with. When it comes to robberies, just give them the fucking money. The business is insured.
Ended up getting cut on the wrist trying to save a ladies purse from a theft on the Long Beach Pier. One of the few times I left the house unarmed.
One of the last.A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. SnyderComment
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Yeah, I know. But how many people bother reading the instructions for their new blue ray player, much less the operating manual for an AR?American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.
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