The Alex Jones InfoWhores Conspiracies Thread

[Baby's On Fire]

Just because the incompetent shit for brains in the corporate whore media got the story wrong doesn't mean it was a "hoax". It just means the corporate media sucks ass and that real journalism is virtually non-existent.

Now that IS a conspiracy in and of itself, but it's not the one you're looking for.

FORD....I hate agreeing with Elvis on any issue.....But facts are facts.

If it is true that the so-called assault rifle was not used, then so much for any opportunists exploiting the deaths of innocent people to further a political agenda.

Point to the pro-gun crowd. Plain and simple.

And still no talk of the real issue for this (and most other) mass murders: Mental health exacerbated by mind-altering prescription drugs......

On the other hand, the assholes claiming a false-flag operation can fuck off too. If it was a false flag for the purpose of disarming people from owing any AR, then they would have used one in this murder.

[FORD]

FORD....I hate agreeing with Elvis on any issue.....But facts are facts.

If it is true that the so-called assault rifle was not used, then so much for any opportunists exploiting the deaths of innocent people to further a political agenda.

Point to the pro-gun crowd. Plain and simple.

And still no talk of the real issue for this (and most other) mass murders: Mental health exacerbated by mind-altering prescription drugs......

On the other hand, the assholes claiming a false-flag operation can fuck off too. If it was a false flag for the purpose of disarming people from owing any AR, then they would have used one in this murder.

But that's exactly what Elvis and his buddy Alex Jones are saying. They think it's a false flag to trick people into demanding gun confiscation.

The real issue here is not whether the psycho nutcase used handguns, assault rifles, or a goddamned civil war era cannon. The fact is that he was a psycho nutcase, and therefore, should have NEVER been allowed to even look at ANY gun, let alone use one. And his psycho nutcase mother should have known that, but her own mental illness (as evidenced by her hysterical "prepper" paranoia and the fact that she owned so goddamned many unsecured guns) wouldn't allow her to see the obvious: Tell the babysitter not to turn your back on your psycho kid, and then turn around and take him to the goddamned gun range???

Close the gun show loophole, and keep guns away from psychos like this fool AND his mother.

[Baby's On Fire]

Actually -- to my surprise -- Alex Jones did not at first say anything about a false flag, as much as I expected he would. Then he slipped and shot off his mouth saying "it probably was".

I like Alex Jones and agree with most of what he says (and he is uncannily right most of the time and has an amazing understanding of how things really work in the corrupt political and fascist situation globally) but he does go overboard with the false flag bullshit.

Anyway......Guns are not the real problem. They are part of the problem, yes. But mental health and big pharma is the real problem, aided by guns. By take away guns, and you still have the problem and you still have murder.

Some gun control makes sense. Nobody needs a fully automatic .50 machine gun for example. But fuck these assholes blaming the guns.......The political opportunists just got busted (if it turns out to be true the AR was not used).

If I lived in a suburban area or rural area in the USA (or even an urban area I suppose), I could see the need for an assault rifle. Some asshole home invades me in the middle of the night, I don't wanna need good aim. Point, shoot, blow the motherfucker away. But no one needs to walk around with an assault rifle either.

[Nickdfresh]

Dude, you're smarter than that...

The story is a lie...

And you're fucking retarded. If Obama was going to enact a 'gun ban', they why wait until now? The Batman theater shooting along with the assassination attempt in Arizona were enough "cause'...

Pull your fucking head out of your ass, idiot...

[ELVIS]

The kid didn't use an "assault rifle."



Blah blah fucking blah...

He didn't use the weapon or the magazine Obama mentions...

it's a lie...

[Jesus Christ]

The kid didn't use an "assault rifle."



Blah blah fucking blah...

He didn't use the weapon or the magazine Obama mentions...

it's a lie...

Gregory, when 20 children walk into My office at 9:30 in the morning because somebody murdered them, do ye really think I care which specific gun that person used to commit such a grievous sin?

[WARF]

westboro baptist church

[Jesus Christ]

Verily I say unto you, that not a single member of that church shall enter unto the Kingdom of Heaven.

[ELVIS]

Jesus of Westford Bastard Church...

[ELVIS]

The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting

DAVID KUPELIAN

Since last month’s horrifying and heartbreaking school massacre in Newtown, Conn., politicians and the press have, as everyone knows, been totally obsessed with firearms.

Indeed, President Obama has vowed to impose strong new gun-control measures on the nation – very soon, with or without Congress.

Other possible factors – from violent video games to the “failure of our mental-health system” to the unintended consequences of making schools “gun-free zones” – have taken a back seat to guns. Within hours of the gruesome mega-crime, the media had provided extensive, round-the-clock coverage of precisely which firearms, manufacturers and calibers the perpetrator had used, how he had obtained them from his mother, where they were originally purchased, and so on.

But where, I’d like to ask my colleagues in the media, is the reporting about the psychiatric medications the perpetrator – who had been under treatment for mental-health problems – may have been taking? After all, Mark and Louise Tambascio, family friends of the shooter and his mother, were interviewed on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” during which Louise Tambascio told correspondent Scott Pelley: “I know he was on medication and everything, but she homeschooled him at home cause he couldn’t deal with the school classes sometimes, so she just homeschooled Adam at home. And that was her life.” And here, Tambascio tells ABC News, “I knew he was on medication, but that’s all I know.”

It has been more than three weeks since the shooting. We know all about the guns he used, but what “medication” may he have used? (One brief mini-hoax emerged when the New York Daily News published a story claiming the shooter, according to his uncle, had been on the controversial antipsychotic drug Fanapt. That story was quickly withdrawn after the “uncle” turned out to be a fraudster with no relation to the murderer.)

So, what is the truth? Where is the journalistic curiosity? Where is the follow-up? Where is the police report, the medical examiner’s report, the interviews with his doctor and others?

Get autographed copies of both of David Kupelian’s classics: “The Marketing of Evil” and “How Evil Works.”

But let me back up. Perhaps you’re wondering why this issue of psychiatric medications should be so important.

As I documented in “How Evil Works,” it is simply indisputable that most perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on – or just recently coming off of – psychiatric medications:

Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs.

Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves.

Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s 1 in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.

Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, Calif., in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.

Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Ore., and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.

In Paducah, Ky., in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.

In 2005, 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Ky., killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.

Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”

John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.

Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well-publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” – murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug.Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.

One more case is instructive, that of 12-year-old Christopher Pittman, who struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept and then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them.”I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.”Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication,” since his doctors had him taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders.

Paxil’s known “adverse drug reactions” – according to the drug’s FDA-approved label – include “mania,” “insomnia,” “anxiety,” “agitation,” “confusion,” “amnesia,” “depression,” “paranoid reaction,” “psychosis,” “hostility,” “delirium,” “hallucinations,” “abnormal thinking,” “depersonalization” and “lack of emotion,” among others.The preceding examples are only a few of the best-known offenders who had been taking prescribed psychiatric drugs before committing their violent crimes – there are many others.

Whether we like to admit it or not, it is undeniable that when certain people living on the edge of sanity take psychiatric medications, those drugs can – and occasionally do – push them over the edge into violent madness. Remember, every single SSRI antidepressant sold in the United States of America today, no matter what brand or manufacturer, bears a “black box” FDA warning label – the government’s most serious drug warning – of “increased risks of suicidal thinking and behavior, known as suicidality, in young adults ages 18 to 24.” Common sense tells us that where there are suicidal thoughts – especially in a very, very angry person – homicidal thoughts may not be far behind. Indeed, the mass shooters we are describing often take their own lives when the police show up, having planned their suicide ahead of time.

So, what ‘medication’ was Lanza on?

The Sandy Hook school massacre, we are constantly reminded, was the “second-worst school shooting in U.S. history.” Let’s briefly revisit the worst, Virginia Tech, because it provides an important lesson for us. One would think, in light of the stunning correlation between psych meds and mass murders, that it would be considered critical to establish definitively whether the Virginia Tech murderer of 32 people, student Cho Seung-Hui, had been taking psychiatric drugs.

Yet, more than five years later, the answer to that question remains a mystery.

Even though initially the New York Times reported, “officials said prescription medications related to the treatment of psychological problems had been found among Mr. Cho’s effects,” and the killer’s roommate, Joseph Aust, had told the Richmond Times-Dispatch that Cho’s routine each morning had included taking prescription drugs, the state’s toxicology report released two months later said “no prescription drugs or toxic substances were found in Cho Seung-Hui.”

Perhaps so, but one of the most notoriously unstable and unpredictable times for users of SSRI antidepressants is the period shortly after they’ve stopped taking them, during which time the substance may not be detectable in the body.

What kind of meds might Cho have been taking – or recently have stopped taking? Curiously, despite an exhaustive investigation by the Commonwealth of Virginia which disclosed that Cho had taken Paxil for a year in 1999, specifics on what meds he was taking prior to the Virginia Tech massacre have remained elusive. The final 20,000-word report manages to omit any conclusive information about the all-important issue of Cho’s medications during the period of the mass shooting.

To add to the drama, it wasn’t until two years after the state’s in-depth report was issued that, as disclosed in an Aug. 19, 2009, ABC News report, some of Cho’s long-missing mental health records were located:

The records released today were discovered to be missing during a Virginia panel’s August 2007 investigation four-and-a-half months after the massacre.

The notes were recovered last month from the home of Dr. Robert Miller, the former director of the counseling center, who says he inadvertently packed Cho’s file into boxes of personal belongings when he left the center in February 2006. Until the July 2009 discovery of the documents, Miller said he had no idea he had the records.

Miller has since been let go from the university.

Although Cho’s newly discovered mental-health files reportedly revealed nothing further about his medications, the issues raised by the initial accounts – including the “officials” cited by the New York Times and the Richmond paper’s eyewitness account of daily meds-taking – remain unaddressed to this day.

Some critics suggest these official omissions are motivated by a desire to protect the drug companies from ruinous product liability claims. Indeed, pharmaceutical manufacturers are nervous about lawsuits over the “rare adverse effects” of their mood-altering medications. To avoid costly settlements and public relations catastrophes – such as when GlaxoSmithKline was ordered to pay $6.4 million to the family of 60-year-old Donald Schnell who murdered his wife, daughter and granddaughter in a fit of rage shortly after starting on Paxil – drug companies’ legal teams have quietly and skillfully settled hundreds of cases out-of-court, shelling out hundreds of millions of dollars to plaintiffs. Pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly fought scores of legal claims against Prozac in this way, settling for cash before the complaint could go to court while stipulating that the settlement remain secret – and then claiming it had never lost a Prozac lawsuit.

All of which is, once again, to respectfully but urgently ask the question: When on earth are we going to find out if the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook school massacre, like so many other mass shooters, had been taking psychiatric drugs?

In the end, it may well turn out that knowing what kinds of guns he used isn’t nearly as important as what kind of drugs he used.

That is, assuming we ever find out.

[Blaze]

wait wot? A reporter reporting about that lack of reporting on a story.
Here's a thought for that reporter. Do the research write the story..Oh wait, that might require doing moore (sic) than sipping lattes. Shheeet. Might even require some of his own cash
:wankingelvis:

Elvis did you just post a news article about reporters not reporting written by a reporter?




Do something besides blather.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...arma-interview

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2010/09/dan-markingson-drug-trial-astrazeneca

http://www.cchr.org/about-us/what-is-cchr.html

http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/29/3/81.full

http://www.ted.com/conversations/13829/does_psychiatry_have_a_financi.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/health/22nami.html?_r=0

http://phillyimc.org/en/pharmaceutical-industry-and-psychiatrists-manipulate-their-publications

https://docs.google.com/open?id=1SHYx2PDKocDEuKDFrETDfOziFHkImLZbM61o6IfRhDqY19ZgH8rVnyoQx5nX

And before you ask, of course I have made a impact, including local.

[Seshmeister]

DAVID KUPELIAN

Look at him FFS he's like the bad guy from any Twisted Sister video.

http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/221-david-kupelian.html

His entry in The Encyclopedia of American Loons

#221: David Kupelian

Kupelian is Managing Editor of WorldNetDaily, boldly assrting that the WorldNetDaily “serves as your watchdog on government 365 days a year. We guard your priceless freedoms by aggressively exposing corruption and evil everywhere, and by championing good.” His contributions are sufficiently batshit insane to have made it even to whale.to. His book is “The Marketing of Evil: How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom” – the topic is, predictably, “how atheism is being sold to the US”, containing nuggets such as the “sexual revolution” being really a (covert) action to promote pedophilia. Really, the mantra of the book is “ze gays are coming, ze gays are coming!”. In general, Kupelian is simply shocked that people like Hitchens, Harris and Stenger are allowed to publish books in the Christian Nation that is the US.

A valiant fighter in the war against strawmen, Kupelian was also avidly worried about what would happen to the US if a Democrat was elected president in 2008 (“How Hillary will lead America to Hell” was his slightly less than reality-based WorldNetDaily screed discussing such topics). “The damage that will occur to America if Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is elected president will go far beyond what we can rationally anticipate on the policy level,” says Kupelian. Since, as he says, we can't rationally anticipate the horrible damage Hillary will do to the country, he proceeds to irrationally anticipate those damages (hat-tip to Ed Brayton).

He is also the originator of the following, glorious quote: “Sex is sacred. For millennia, this biblical principle was the bedrock moral value of the Western World.”

Diagnosis: Reality-challenged (well, batshit insane) wingnut who seems positively shallow even when compared to his boss, the clinically insane Joseph Farah. Kupelian is not without impact, and that fact is pretty darn scary.

[ELVIS]

He can't...

Not one of these smug clowns have disputed one single fact or argument that I put forth regarding this, or the other shootings...

They just blame guns, exactly like the TV told them to...

[cadaverdog]

People need to wake up to the danger and the complete hocus pocus of psychiatric medicine...

This is a way bigger problem than guns but few people are interested...

Spoken like a true Scientologist. I've studied them a little bit. That's their big public outcry. Can't say I completely disagree.

[Nickdfresh]

You shot the messenger instead of the message. Now dispute the message.

WorldNutDaily is pretty self-shooting...

And I can link about 50 of your posts where you resort to personal attacks and never actually dispute someone's view you disagree with...