Exoatmospheric nuclear testing and global warming?

[conmee]

Sarge/Sesh/Licker,

What really pisses me off in addition to battery and other hazardous waste recycling are the new fucking light bulbs that cut a few watts, but tend to fucking burn out WAAAYYYY before their expected lifespan and THEN... we really expect 75% of the DUMBASSES in this country to GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO FIND A RECYCLE STATION (Or Best Buy/Home Depot) to deposit their old lightbulbs??!?! I GUARANFUCKINGTEE all this lead-filled curly-cue motherfuckers are going to end up right in a landfill seeping into the groundwater... Most of the "solutions" to global warming and recycling, the whole "personal responsibility/do your part" angle is complete horses hit when the people with BRAINS and SENSE are outnumbered 10-to-1 on this planet.

DOWN WITH CORPORATE AMERICA!!!! I mean, you know, after I retire and no longer depend on them for a paycheck...

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[Anonymous]

"Doing your part" is working for free for a gigantic multi-billion dollar industry.

You separate the trash for them, then they further filter what they need & throw the rest away, just like I said above with the bottle cap/bottle thing.

Truth is, most of what you recycle ends up in landfills anyway.

And yes, the new light-bulbs fucking SUCK.

But hey, they fucked up with the previous, fully functional 10 year light-bulbs. You see, they worked, which meant people stopped spending money... so they come up with a new, defective standard. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Oh wait, apparently it does, since EVERYONE is FALLING FOR IT AGAIN!

But no, I'm sure they mean ALL the best for ourselves, our planet & our children.

Cheers!

[Sarge]

Sarge/Sesh/Licker,

What really pisses me off in addition to battery and other hazardous waste recycling are the new fucking light bulbs that cut a few watts, but tend to fucking burn out WAAAYYYY before their expected lifespan and THEN... we really expect 75% of the DUMBASSES in this country to GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO FIND A RECYCLE STATION (Or Best Buy/Home Depot) to deposit their old lightbulbs??!?! I GUARANFUCKINGTEE all this lead-filled curly-cue motherfuckers are going to end up right in a landfill seeping into the groundwater... Most of the "solutions" to global warming and recycling, the whole "personal responsibility/do your part" angle is complete horses hit when the people with BRAINS and SENSE are outnumbered 10-to-1 on this planet.

DOWN WITH CORPORATE AMERICA!!!! I mean, you know, after I retire and no longer depend on them for a paycheck...

Mind The Gap!

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I agree! Let's also shrink the government, once I draw enough pension to retire!

[Anonymous]

Crap, I'm surrounded by the enemy.

Corporations on one side, government on the other.

How did I not see this obvious trap?

So, huh...

Yeah...

I, I, ayayayayayayayay, I'm outta here.

I'M USING A PROXY, THAT'S NOT MY REAL IP!

Cheers!

[ELVIS]

I agree! Let's also shrink the government, once I draw enough pension to retire!

The money won't be worth the paper it's printed on...

[Nickdfresh]

I'm unsure of the long-term impact of nukes detonated in the atmosphere, but I think the products to produce nuclear weapons - especially in the early haphazard days of the Manhattan Project may have had a far worse impact overall on the environment. The gov't actually threw highly radio active material into landfills! Their childlike ignorance and callousness was fused with a ruthless reckless abandon that was understandable since we didn't know for sure how far ahead of the Germans and Japanese bomb projects we were at the time. And that was just the big stuff. The chemical processes used to manufacture the bombs were highly toxic and there are dozens of highly contaminated sites around the country. Certainly many north of my neck of the woods in the Niagara Falls, NY area...

[Nickdfresh]

The documentary needed more time spent on some graphics to illustrate the huge differences in yield from the first Trinity shot to the 57-megaton (5,700 times more powerful than Hiroshima - EDIT: Actually Hiroshima was a 16-kiloton yield so the largest-ever atmospheric detonation by USSR "only" 356 times more powerful - also of note was that the 57-megaton device was a smaller version of a 100-megaton device the Soviets designed....

...
The Observer, Sunday 14 May 2000 01.30 BST
The US Air Force developed a top-secret plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the moon as a display of military might at the height of the Cold War.

In an exclusive interview with The Observer, Dr Leonard Reiffel, 73, the physicist who fronted the project in the late Fifties at the US military-backed Armour Research Foundation, revealed America's extraordinary lunar plan.
...

It was all kind of a massive dick contest, wasn't it?

[private parts]

Thanks for looking up those stats Conmee.
I wondered how much more powerful those megaton bombs were than on Hiroshima.


Also on netflix is Hiroshima ; Which talks about the Manhattan project.
It was also interesting. I understood it was a big project, but I didn't realize it employed 130,000 people and 140 thousand acres of land on three sites.
Interesting of note, was they made it sound like Leslie Groves got to decide on what city should be bombed.
I always wondered why they didn't pick Tokyo.
It's worth a watch if you have the time...

Oak Ridge Tn right in my back yard. The hunting is really good here cause the wildlife glows in the dark.

[conmee]

Brethren and Sistren,

I dug up a photo of the "Cactus Dome" named after the Cactus "shot" aka detonation/test that left a +500ftDiameter/+35ftDeep crater on the end of Runit Island (I think the crater next to it in the water was created by the shot named Ivy. Anyhow... check out how big the fakkin' dome is... you can see some people mulling around on top of it. Also, I've included a Google Maps shot, you can see these and other nuclear test craters around the Marshall Islands in the middle of the Pacific.

As for Nick's point, there's an EPA website for Superfund Toxic Cleanup sites and it lists literally hundreds of sites in all 50 states that need cleaning. Hanford and all the other "processing/manufacturing" sites for the nuclear program are on the list. Whether byproducts of the process or the tests, probably safe to say that the nuclear age hasn't exactly been good to the planet or its inhabitants.

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Runit Dome (or Cactus Dome), Runit Island, Enewetak Atoll. Aerial view. In 1977-1980 the crater created by the Cactus shot of Operation Hardtack I was used as a burial pit to inter 84,000 cubic meters of radioactive soil scraped from the various contaminated Enewetak Atoll islands. The Runit Dome was built to cover the material.

[Coyote]

This one, I assume?

[ELVIS]

probably safe to say that the nuclear age hasn't exactly been good to the planet or its inhabitants.

The planet is capable of recycling the toxins, it's the people that are mostly affected...

Look at the explosion of cancer since the 1950s...

[ashstralia]

bhopal, anyone?

great thread

[Seshmeister]

The planet is capable of recycling the toxins, it's the people that are mostly affected...

Look at the explosion of cancer since the 1950s...

If you live long enough you will get cancer.

People living longer means more cancer.

[conmee]

If you live long enough you will get cancer.

People living longer means more cancer.

True, Sesh, but you can easily excluded people over 50yo for instance and just look at growth in cancers in younger patients where old age isn't a factor. Or pick whatever mean age you want for the sample set. While I agree with your basic premise, there's also no doubt that longer lifespan also means more opportunity or exposure to modern chemicals and pollutants. In the end when our extraterrestrial ancestors return to check in on us, they'll bring some medicine, pills, and candy, and we'll rejoice as if it were The Second Coming..: And in many ways, it will be. Klaattu Aaakmath Baraqwiu, Klaa!

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[Sarge]

Brethren and Sistren,

I dug up a photo of the "Cactus Dome" named after the Cactus "shot" aka detonation/test that left a +500ftDiameter/+35ftDeep crater on the end of Runit Island (I think the crater next to it in the water was created by the shot named Ivy. Anyhow... check out how big the fakkin' dome is... you can see some people mulling around on top of it. Also, I've included a Google Maps shot, you can see these and other nuclear test craters around the Marshall Islands in the middle of the Pacific.

As for Nick's point, there's an EPA website for Superfund Toxic Cleanup sites and it lists literally hundreds of sites in all 50 states that need cleaning. Hanford and all the other "processing/manufacturing" sites for the nuclear program are on the list. Whether byproducts of the process or the tests, probably safe to say that the nuclear age hasn't exactly been good to the planet or its inhabitants.

Mind The Gap!©®™

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Runit Dome (or Cactus Dome), Runit Island, Enewetak Atoll. Aerial view. In 1977-1980 the crater created by the Cactus shot of Operation Hardtack I was used as a burial pit to inter 84,000 cubic meters of radioactive soil scraped from the various contaminated Enewetak Atoll islands. The Runit Dome was built to cover the material.

Problem solved! Lol.
Nothing will ever leak out of there!
That island looks like a gentle breeze from being underwater.
I wonder what made them decide to clean up this site, while the others remained dirty?
Here is a direct link to the dome in the trinity movie.

http://youtu.be/gQ_o3OMfoZ4?t=1h10m17s

It's at 1 hour 10 mins