U.S. Appeals Court kills net neutrality

[Redballjets88]

You're throwing around monopoly when there isn't a true monopoly in the situation. There aren't any meaningful cases of an ISP abusing its power. And with the market moving towards broader solutions I don't think the FCC idiots need a backdoor in yet.

And once again West, Tx, has always had regulation. The regulators never bothered to come around...So what good does regulation do anyway.

[FORD]

You're throwing around monopoly when there isn't a true monopoly in the situation. There aren't any meaningful cases of an ISP abusing its power.

Obviously you have never had to deal with Scumcast.

And with the market moving towards broader solutions I don't think the FCC idiots need a backdoor in yet.

Broader solutions? What they are moving towards is more consolidation and more fascist lockdown on content. Let's say you are lucky enough to live in a big city, Dallas for example, so you can put a digital antenna on your roof and get all your network shows over the air. Now if you're on the road and wanted to watch one of these shows online, using your tablet or smartphone, or whatever, it used to be easy enough.... just pull up Hulu.com or the network's website and stream away. Except now the regional monopoly bastards want a cable account login/password to be able to do so. Disney's networks (ABC/ESPN/etc.) are already requiring this - not just on their own sites, but also on Hulu. Is your idea of "broader solutions"? And - mind you - they did this before this idiotic court decision.

And once again West, Tx, has always had regulation. The regulators never bothered to come around...So what good does regulation do anyway.

Well, that's because your state hasn't had a governor with a brain since 1994. What the Hell kind of regulators would Chimp or Perry appoint? Corporate shills, of course. And those tanks in West Virginia? Last inspected in 1991. Because tanks that hold corrosive chemicals are just fine with inspections only every 25 years or so, right?

[Dr. Love]

Regulation, even well-meaning regulation, isn't the solution so long as government remains corrupted by the industries they are supposed to regulate.

The first step is to rip the claws of the corporations out of goverment. Until that happens, I don't think any argument over regulation or its effectiveness is going to matter much.

[FORD]

Regulation, even well-meaning regulation, isn't the solution so long as government remains corrupted by the industries they are supposed to regulate.

The first step is to rip the claws of the corporations out of goverment. Until that happens, I don't think any argument over regulation or its effectiveness is going to matter much.

Ironically, it was the last 33 years of massive deregulation which allowed the corporatists to get their claws in government in the first place. And then they systematically destroyed any means the people had of fighting back. The ability to have honest, fair elections. Courts. Unions. Even the freedom to peacefully assemble has been seriously fucked since Chimp/Cheney's first stolen election. The corporatists succeeded in purging any dissenting voices from the airwaves, and that left only the internet as a means of communicating those ideas. And now they want to take that away. While sadly, a good portion of the population is already too goddamned dumbed down to realize there's even a problem, and others are horribly misinformed about what the problems are and who directly & indirectly caused them.

[Dr. Love]

Sure, but I don't think we're at a point where we can trust the legislators to pass meaningful regulation, or the regulators to enforce it, because they are all essentially owned by the corporations. Would be nice if the states would call a constitutional convention and make some very needed changes but I don't see it happening. I normally agree with the idea of incremental fixes but I don't think that we're at a stage where incremental fixes will get the job done.

[Guitar Shark]

Is it just me or are Doc's posts sounding more and more like Nitro's?

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Is it just me or are Doc's posts sounding more and more like Nitro's?

first reserve bank scam reference and you are probably on to something...

[FORD]

Sure, but I don't think we're at a point where we can trust the legislators to pass meaningful regulation, or the regulators to enforce it, because they are all essentially owned by the corporations. Would be nice if the states would call a constitutional convention and make some very needed changes but I don't see it happening. I normally agree with the idea of incremental fixes but I don't think that we're at a stage where incremental fixes will get the job done.

The first step is to smash every last electro-fraud machine (including the optical scanners) and vote with a fucking pencil and paper.

Money and corporatism needs to be removed from the political process entirely, but at the very LEAST, the corporations cannot be allowed to count the votes themselves. As long as we're still forced to pick from two very flawed candidates, the one who takes the office should at least be able to prove that he or she got the most votes.

That's probably the most effective of the incremental changes. Otherwise, the only way to proceed is organizing the people. Electing those who represent the people, and not the corporations, starting with the local level, and moving up to every available office. And then, city by city, county by county, state by state, overturning Shittizens United, regardless of what Opie Roberts and his 4 BCE appointed friends think about it.

[Nickdfresh]

You're throwing around monopoly when there isn't a true monopoly in the situation. There aren't any meaningful cases of an ISP abusing its power. And with the market moving towards broader solutions I don't think the FCC idiots need a backdoor in yet.

And once again West, Tx, has always had regulation. The regulators never bothered to come around...So what good does regulation do anyway.

I was using "monopoly" in the rhetorical emblematic sense...

[Nickdfresh]

Regulation, even well-meaning regulation, isn't the solution so long as government remains corrupted by the industries they are supposed to regulate.

The first step is to rip the claws of the corporations out of goverment. Until that happens, I don't think any argument over regulation or its effectiveness is going to matter much.

So your alternative is to let corrupting corruptors regulate themselves?

Bend over America! The Tea Party is here!

[Dr. Love]

Is it just me or are Doc's posts sounding more and more like Nitro's?

My life is by far not as purportedly interesting

[Dr. Love]

So your alternative is to let corrupting corruptors regulate themselves?

Bend over America! The Tea Party is here!

I don't suggest any alternative. I don't think it can be changed. I'd rather invest my energy in making my own business succeed than fretting and worrying about how someone else has an unfair advantage and are doing better. I can be upset with the world around me, or I can accept it and figure out how to bend it to my advantage. I choose the latter. And so far over the last year, we've been really successful and I think we're going to be really successful this year.

I simply don't believe that it's worth the effort to complain, gnash my teeth and be draw into the same old rehashed rhetorical, philosophical argument on this website. No one here is going to have their minds changed and I think we've covered many of the interesting variations of the debate and almost all of the uninteresting variations. So what's the point?

I'd rather spend the time here chatting with FORD and everyone else about what their thoughts are on things than be dragged into Yet-Another-I'm-Right-And-You-Suck argument that we have really already covered ad nauseum.

[Dr. Love]

The first step is to smash every last electro-fraud machine (including the optical scanners) and vote with a fucking pencil and paper.

Money and corporatism needs to be removed from the political process entirely, but at the very LEAST, the corporations cannot be allowed to count the votes themselves. As long as we're still forced to pick from two very flawed candidates, the one who takes the office should at least be able to prove that he or she got the most votes.

That's probably the most effective of the incremental changes. Otherwise, the only way to proceed is organizing the people. Electing those who represent the people, and not the corporations, starting with the local level, and moving up to every available office. And then, city by city, county by county, state by state, overturning Shittizens United, regardless of what Opie Roberts and his 4 BCE appointed friends think about it.

Yeah I dunno. I think it would be beneficial. But I think at some point for meaningful change to occur, the existing government will have to be bypassed and meaningful reforms enacted without them.

[FORD]

Contrary to what a senile old actor once said, government is NOT the problem. However, the current makeup of the government is, and that's because the corporatists have infected it, which of course, started when that senile old actor was (allegedly) in charge.

The grass roots approach and building state by state certainly has its merits. Whatever side you take on abortion, weed legalization, or marriage equality - just to name three examples - these are things that were done on a state by state basis, and eventually got to a national level (or will get there, in the case of the latter two, but we have obviously seen rapid progress on both in just the last few years). On the other hand, you have things like GMO labeling, which was polling favorably both in California and here in Washington, until 11th hour propaganda pushes with MonSatan money came in and confused enough people to steal victory away from the people. So it's not going to be easy to fight these corporate machines....

And that brings it right back around to Net Neutrality.... because it may be the most effective way we have left of spreading the word rapidly on the issues. And for that reason (along with dozens of others) it cannot be stolen from the people.

[Nickdfresh]

I don't suggest any alternative. I don't think it can be changed. I'd rather invest my energy in making my own business succeed than fretting and worrying about how someone else has an unfair advantage and are doing better. I can be upset with the world around me, or I can accept it and figure out how to bend it to my advantage. I choose the latter. And so far over the last year, we've been really successful and I think we're going to be really successful this year.

I simply don't believe that it's worth the effort to complain, gnash my teeth and be draw into the same old rehashed rhetorical, philosophical argument on this website. No one here is going to have their minds changed and I think we've covered many of the interesting variations of the debate and almost all of the uninteresting variations. So what's the point?

I'd rather spend the time here chatting with FORD and everyone else about what their thoughts are on things than be dragged into Yet-Another-I'm-Right-And-You-Suck argument that we have really already covered ad nauseum.

Hence my "bend over" comment. You seem adept at it...