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  • SunisinuS
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • May 2010
    • 3301

    It is true that the ICE even as piston based has advanced (Mazda abandoned rotary engines because of that fact, even after 5th graders myself built that clear plastic kit) it still has as it's source crap from Dinos. I prefer physic potential. I never understand why politics from the right does not understand even what Hitler did....get the fuck away from petroleum based machines...they limit your potential. Read Polesti and the search for non-petroleum based anything crap.

    All more efficient than chemical/petroleum based technology:

    Navy gives sneak-peek of its high-tech future, including missiles that fly faster than the speed of sound and seawater converted into fuel.


    Imagine ships that fire missiles at seven times the speed of sound without using explosives, or that use lasers to destroy threats at the cost of about a dollar a shot, and vessels making fuel from the very seawater in which they're floating.

    That's the glimpse of the high-tech future the U.S. Navy gave this week. And these aren't just ideas. They've all been shown to work to some degree.

    Saturday, the Navy will christen its most advanced warship ever, the destroyer USS Zumwalt, which may one day be using these new technologies.

    The Zumwalt, which was launched last year and is to be christened at Bath Iron Works in Maine, is the Navy's first stealth destroyer. At 610 feet long and 80 feet wide, it's about 100 feet longer and 20 feet wider than ships in the Navy's current fleet of Arleigh Burke class destroyers, but the canopy and the rest of the Zumwalt is built on angles that help make it 50 times harder to spot on radar than an ordinary destroyer.
    "It has the radar cross-section of a fishing boat," Chris Johnson, a spokesman for Naval Sea Systems Command, told CNN when the ship was launched last year.

    In its current configuration, the Zumwalt will carry a considerable arsenal of weapons, including two Advanced Gun Systems (AGS), which can fire rocket-powered, computer-guided shells that can destroy targets 63 miles away. That's three times farther than ordinary destroyer guns can fire.

    But in the future, it could be fitted with the even more advanced systems the Navy talked about this week.

    The Laser Weapon System (LaWS) will be tested at sea this summer.
    One, a laser weapon prototype, will be tested aboard the amphibious transport dock USS Ponce in the Persian Gulf this summer, the Navy said.

    "This is a revolutionary capability," Rear Adm. Matthew Klunder, chief of Naval Research, said in a statement. "This very affordable technology is going to change the way we fight and save lives."
    The laser weapon is design to take on aircraft or small surface vessels that may pose threats to Navy ships. Tests in 2011 and 2012 showed it can accomplish that mission.

    The laser can be fired by one sailor using a video game-like console and do it at little cost, the Navy said.
    "Spending about $1 per shot of a directed-energy source that never runs out gives us an alternative to firing costly munitions at inexpensive threats," Klunder said.

    The Navy thinks the other weapon prototype it discussed this week, the electromagnetic railgun, will save money while providing a more potent force.

    The EM Railgun launches projectiles using electricity instead of chemical propellants.

    The gun uses electromagnetic force to send a missile to a range of 125 miles at 7.5 times the speed of sound, according to the Navy. When it hits its target, the projectile does its damage with sheer speed. It does not have an explosive warhead.

    "The electromagnetic railgun represents an incredible new offensive capability for the U.S. Navy," Rear Adm. Bryant Fuller, the Navy's chief engineer, said in a statement. "This capability will allow us to effectively counter a wide range of threats at a relatively low cost, while keeping our ships and sailors safer by removing the need to carry as many high-explosive weapons."


    The railgun projectiles could cost about 1/100th the price of current missiles, according to Klunder.

    The Navy said the railgun will be tested at sea aboard the USS Millinocket, a non-combat ship known as a joint high-speed vessel, in 2016. No decision has been made on which combat ships might eventually be deployed with a railgun.
    No matter what ships are chosen, other Navy scientists said this week those vessels may someday draw their fuel from the oceans they're crossing.

    Researchers at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory, Materials Science and Technology Division, said this week they have demonstrated proof-of-concept on the ability to draw carbon dioxide and hydrogen from seawater and turn it into forms of gasoline.
    Heather Willauer, a Naval Research Laboratory chemist, called the technology "game changing."

    "This is the first time technology of this nature has been demonstrated with the potential for transition, from the laboratory, to full-scale commercial implementation," she said in a statement.
    The lab's researchers used "an innovative and proprietary NRL electrolytic cation exchange module" to remove the carbon dioxide from the water and produce hydrogen gas in the process.
    "The gases are then converted to liquid hydrocarbons by a metal catalyst in a reactor system," the research lab's statement said.
    The fuel produced was used to power the engine of a small model aircraft, the researchers said.

    The process could be ramped up to produce a replacement for jet fuel at a cost of $3 to $6 per gallon within a decade, the researchers said. That step would come on land, with versions to be used on ships coming later, they said.

    Writing on the Navy's official blog this week, Vice Adm. Phil Cullom, deputy chief of Naval Operations for Fleet Readiness and Logistics, also called the new technology "game changing" and potentially life saving.

    "After more than a decade of war, our adversaries have found certain soft underbellies to our operations. They know that when you go after the logistics and resupply of fuel, that's an easier target than confronting our frontline forces. What if we removed that from the equation? Can you imagine a time when an aircraft carrier doesn't have to wait for the oiler to come steaming alongside it to deliver jet fuel? It truly does change things. It prevents what could one day be our 'maritime IED moment,'" Cullom wrote.


    The mini-turbine on that Peterbilt could be a start, soon as we just use the earth's magnetic field to power it instead.
    Last edited by SunisinuS; 04-10-2014, 09:39 PM. Reason: I guess why the right fears science is because they have not figured out how to charge for gravity, air, and magnetism. Otherwise we would see "bums" floating off the earth into space.
    Can't Control your Future. Can't Control your Friends. The women start to hike their skirts up. I didn't have a clue. That is when I kinda learned how to smile a lot. One Two Three Fouir fun ter thehr fuur.

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    • jacksmar
      Full Member Status

      • Feb 2004
      • 3533

      sunisinus, I knew of development on the Zumwalt back in 2005. I had forgotten about this. Thanks for the article.
      A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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      • jacksmar
        Full Member Status

        • Feb 2004
        • 3533

        Originally posted by Seshmeister
        Fluoride is like everything else, there is a healthy level and a harmful one.

        All water has fluoride in it just at different levels. There are places where water has naturally higher levels than any place where fluoride is added to the water supply because it's low.

        Fluoride in your water is just about the last thing you should be worrying about as a middle aged man in America, it's like thinking being eaten by a dragon is more of a risk than heart disease.
        Thanks for calling me middle aged. I'm on the downside of that because I think the average age for a US male is 76 or 77.

        I don't know the first thing about fluoride other than the healthy teeth line.

        Which goes better with Piper ? Fluoridated or non fluoridated?
        A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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        • Kristy
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 16343

          Originally posted by ELVIS

          At all...

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          • Seshmeister
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Oct 2003
            • 35211

            Originally posted by SunisinuS
            One, a laser weapon prototype, will be tested aboard the amphibious transport dock USS Ponce in the Persian Gulf this summer, the Navy said.
            The Ponce????

            What the fuck were they thinking...?


            Term originated in the UK and came to prominence in the 1960's, initially to describe a pimp. In Spanish it means "prince" and could have either been referring to the fancy, over-the-top clothing and jewelry popular with pimps, or because he was surrounded by a harem of women, involved in the underworld, but usually not the actual "king" of the area (he had to pay tribute to use the block or neighborhood). Now it is generally used to refer to someone (usually a male) who dresses in nicer clothing and acts in a polished fashion; often interchangable with fag or pussy, but not necessarily as derogatory: a ponce is not necessarily homosexual, nor are they necessarily passive or weak, but they would tend to be thought of as metrosexual or gay in their manner of dress. In the US it also takes a bit of a tone for a poser or wannabe, primarily in the punk, ska, or artsy scenes.

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            • ELVIS
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 44120

              Originally posted by jacksmar

              I don't know the first thing about fluoride other than the healthy teeth line.
              Water Fluoridation = Profitable Toxic Waste Disposal!

              Link!

              China does NOT allow water fluoridation because it's too toxic and causes damage, according to their studies. Instead, the waste product from their phosphate fertilizer industry is shipped to the United States, where we add it to our water supply!

              This is a very important point: the fluoride added to your water is NOT pharmaceutical grade. It's a toxic industrial waste product, which is also contaminated with lead, arsenic, radionucleotides, aluminum and other industrial contaminants.

              About 75 percent of Americans get fluoridated water, and just over 65 percent have artificially fluoridated water with hydrofluorosilicic acid; the toxic waste product from phosphate industries. Meanwhile, naturally occurring fluoride is found in many water supplies, especially in volcanic regions and areas with harder water.

              The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) does not distinguish between these two types of fluoride, but they should.

              Naturally occurring fluoride in hard water areas often has a calcium fluoride. Calcium and fluoride bond very well and are not absorbed well by your body. Hydrofluorosilicic acid, on the other hand, dissolves easier and is absorbed by your body at a greater rate.

              Natural calcium fluoride is about 1,000 times less toxic than hydrofluorosilicic acid or sodium fluoride, and this is because your body can't absorb nearly as much. (Note: Sodium fluoride is pharmaceutical grade fluoride, which is used in most studies, but NOT the kind added to water supplies.)

              Evidence of Brain Damage from Fluoride Exposure is Mounting

              Amazingly, there are no less than 23 studies from four different countries indicating that even moderate exposure to fluoride lowers IQ in children.

              As recently as December 2010, a study reporting an association with exposure to fluoride and lowered IQ in children was pre-published in the Journal of Hazardous Materials. According to the authors:

              "Our study suggested that low levels of fluoride exposure in drinking water had negative effects on children's intelligence and dental health and confirmed the dose–response relationships between urine fluoride and IQ scores as well as dental fluorosis."

              This study indicates a 5 point lowering in IQ as the fluoride level in drinking water went from about 0.3 ppm to 3.0 ppm. Dr. Osmunsen also expresses deep concerns about the economic impact of brain damage, stating that you lose about $500 to $1000 dollars per year in income for every IQ point that is dropped.

              "No one fixes IQ," he says. "This is an irreparable, irreversible damage that's happening to our public.

              When you look at the bell curve of human distribution of intelligence, at the very bottom, way down there at the end, is what we scientifically call the mentally retarded. When you skew IQ five points down, that means that you're doubling the number of mentally retarded and you're halving the number of gifted and everybody else moves on down."

              In a nutshell, everyone drinking fluoridated water on a regular basis is getting less intelligent across the board…

              So, Does Fluoride Benefit Your TEETH?

              The early historic studies on fluoridation found that naturally occurring fluoride also happens to be found in areas that are high in calcium and other minerals. According to Dr. Osmunson, many dentists at the time theorized that this higher mineral content might be the real reason for the reduction in tooth decay.

              There were some compelling studies showing that fluoride made teeth harder and more able to withstand acids. However, upon further review of the research literature, Dr. Osmunson realized that the evidence supporting fluoride really wasn't as strong as initially touted, and fluoride did not appear to reduce tooth decay to any significant degree.

              In fact, he discovered plenty of scientific evidence showing that areas with LESS fluoride had less decay.

              "One of the things we found out is that socioeconomics is a key factor," he says. "You can't compare the rich and the poor, otherwise you're going to find a change. And you must get the [tooth] eruption cycles correct. There are many other confounding factors that play a role.

              So I said, "What's a logical way of looking at this?

              A public health intervention should be measured in the community at large.

              That's one of our precepts and rules. You should be able to measure the effectiveness of the public health intervention in the public at large. You should see a reduction in cost for treatment.

              We have fluoride that we're in essence giving like a vaccination. We're giving it to people. And what do we find?

              I could only find one study published of measured evidence. All the other studies were estimates based on assumptions. So we don't really have good measured evidence. The study that measured evidence found... about one-half percent savings.

              Interestingly enough, when looking at the two largest communities of the children, the children in the non-fluoridated community has less cavities, less costs, than those in the fluoridated community. But in any case, there was a slight improvement—enough to pay for the repairs of the equipment. Not enough for the chemicals. Not enough for putting in the equipment.

              Not enough for any side effects of the fluoride but just enough for repair on the equipment, and almost no health benefit…"


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              • Seshmeister
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Oct 2003
                • 35211

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120

                  FACT !!

                  Water isn't the only thing in that BPA bottle...

                  Dumbass...

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    What do they actually put in the water?

                    LINK!

                    The three Fluoride chemicals that could be added to Queensland water supplies for fluoridation are Hydrofluorosilicic Acid, Sodium Silicofluoride or Sodium Fluoride.

                    Hydrofluorosilicic Acid and Sodium Silicofluoride are collectively known as the Silicofluorides and are the chemicals used most in other Australian states fluoridation schemes. The two Silicofluorides chemicals used, are waste products of Phosphate fertilizer manufacture. They are industrial grade, not pharmaceutical grade products and can contain small residues of toxic heavy metals such as cadmium, mercury or lead.

                    The two Silicofluoride compounds used DO NOT EVEN OCCUR IN NATURE, yet fluoridation promoters call fluoride "NATURAL”. No toxicology studies have ever been performed on the Silicofluoride used in water fluoridation schemes. The only toxicology studies ever done, have been done on Pharmaceutical grade Sodium Fluoride as is used in toothpaste.

                    Currently less than 5% of Queensland's population drinks fluoridated water. Sodium Fluoride is a waste product of Aluminium smelting and is the fluoridation chemical used in Queensland in Dalby, Mareeba, Moranbah and Townsville/ Thuringowah.

                    Freedom of Information reveals that water supply of Bamaga is fluoridated with a Silicofluoride and that Sodium Fluoride used in other Queensland areas is imported from China.

                    It would appear that most of the Queenslanders that are currently drinking fluoridated water are drinking water fluoridated with imported Chinese industry waste products, probably sourced as a waste product of the Chinese Aluminium smelting industry.

                    Water from rivers, creeks or dams does contain small amounts of natural fluoride. Levels of fluoride in SE Qld surface waters are usually only about 0.1 parts per million, or nine times less the amount of the Fluoride that Queensland Government plans on adding to Brisbane's water supply.

                    Fluoride occurs naturally in water when water flows though or over rocks and abrades rocks that contain Fluorspar, or Calcium Fluoride (Ca F2). Calcium fluoride is very insoluble. Water that contains natural Fluoride from abraded Fluorspar containing rocks also contains Calcium which can offer some protection from Fluoride. Fluoride binds with Calcium readily and Calcium is given as a treatment for Fluoride poisoning.

                    Calcium Fluoride (the natural form of Fluoride) is not permitted to be added to any Australian water supply.

                    Groundwater as in bore water or well water can contain very high levels of "natural" fluoride and in parts of China, India and the Rift Valley, natural Fluoride has led to devastating health effects such as crippling Skeletal Fluorosis for millions of people. Arsenic, Lead and Mercury are also "natural". Natural does not necessarily mean good or desirable.

                    The Silicofluoride compounds used for water fluoridation are very acidic and addition to water often entails addition of other chemicals such as soda ash to neutralize the acidity to prevent corrosion of water reticulation equipment. Appendix one of the 1999 NHMRC Review of water fluoridation was a questionaire for Councils which fluoridate and included a request for any evidence for Fluoride incompatibilities, such as enhanced corrosion or breakdown of gaskets or seals, in the water distribution network.

                    The Queensland Government has said they would pay the setting up costs of fluoridation, but will not be paying for any recurrent and on going costs. Any Fluoride caused corrosion problems in water treatment plants or water reticulation systems would be to the future cost of Councils and ratepayers.


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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49219

                      Originally posted by jacksmar
                      nick, e doesn't need me for anything.

                      .
                      Right, you might have fluoride in your cock...

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49219

                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                        That just shows you know nothing about an internal combustion engine...
                        What do you know about it, pinhead? Like the fact that only a small percentage of fuel (gas, etc.) is actually converted into energy?

                        So, "fluoride" is bad for you, but the CO2 and god knows WTF is coming out of older diesel and gas engines in good for you? Don't you have a ball of yarn to keep you occupied all day?
                        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 04-12-2014, 09:52 AM.

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49219

                          Originally posted by Eldickless
                          China does NOT allow water fluoridation because it's too toxic and causes damage, according to their studies. Instead, the waste product from their phosphate fertilizer industry is shipped to the United States, where we add it to our water supply!
                          Ha ha! You're such a retard? you really think China gives a fuck at all about what's in their water?



                          Jesus fuck! That's your "evidence?"

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                          • Angel
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7481

                            China doesn't add fluoride because there is already naturally occurring fluoride in most of it's sources...
                            "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49219

                              Originally posted by Angel
                              China doesn't add fluoride because there is already naturally occurring fluoride in most of it's sources...
                              And a lot of unnaturally occurring shit coming from factories, but that is another story...

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                              • ELVIS
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 44120

                                No it's not another story...

                                That factory waste is in your drinking water...

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