Soviet Spetnaz, er, "Russian Patriots" Sieze Ukrainian Police Station

[DrMaddVibe]

Complete horseshit argument spouted directly by the Russian government that belies any actual facts on the ground. Firstly, "Obama" or the United States doesn't really support the Ukraine in general. We done virtually nothing for them other than to try to pressure the Russians through sanctions, and send a few troops and fighters to neighboring NATO nations like Latvia and Poland.

The idea that the Ukrainians are all neo-Nazis is complete bullshit, because NOT ONE SEAT in the Ukrainian government is held by far rightests. If your looking for people acting like Nazis, one might wanna check Hitler's reasons for invading Poland, namely to "save the Volksdeutch" or the German speakers, just Like Vladdy wants to save all the Russian speakers from the nonexistent persecutions. Never mind that it is the Russian separatists of Donetsk that seem to be committing the vast majority or intimidation of the opposition, torture-murders, and abductions, NOT the Ukrainian government...

I find it rather humorous how American "libertarian" news sites are now adopting a completely fascist strongman in Vlad Putin as their cause celeb against the "evil" Obama Administration. Really?

We have meddled and thanks to our wonderful "free" press here in the US...nobody knows about it. Now, I wonder who said... "National socialist ideas are popular here. …We want a clean nation, not like under Hitler, but a little bit like that."

Here...We're meddling and it's the Obama Administration and the CIA under his watch!

http://www.hangthebankers.com/us-spent-5-billion-to-destabilize-ukraine/

Nobody is saying that they're ALL neo-nazis...you didn't read the article though obviously and see the pictures. The symbol on their shirt is what then? All you need to know is that they are there on the ground and just like in Germany they're gaining traction. Traction that the US backed with its centralized banking. When '29 hit...they wanted Germany to pay their margain call for WWI. WWII was all but a certainty after that. The Nazi party rise through the German political landscape after their failed coup was an effort on multiple fronts. The most important one...the media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0y-JUsPTU

That's OUR State department doing the speaking.

We sent Lurch McDroopy there and what a job he did!

KIEV, Ukraine — In a demonstration of support for Ukraine’s fledgling government and a new swipe at Russia, Secretary of State John Kerry visited Kiev on Tuesday with an offer of $1 billion in an American loan guarantee and pledges of technical assistance.

Trudging through a damp mist, Mr. Kerry stopped first for an emotional visit to improvised memorials where protesters were gunned down last month as they voiced opposition to what was then Ukraine’s pro-Kremlin government.

Mr. Kerry placed a lighted candle at one of the shrines, which were draped with flowers and photographs of some of the victims; met with religious leaders; and listened to Ukrainians who beseeched him for help.

“We hope Russian troops will leave Crimea, and we also hope for your assistance,” a Ukrainian woman told Mr. Kerry as he walked along Instytutska Street.

“We are trying very hard,” Mr. Kerry responded. “We hope Russia will respect the election that you have.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/05/wo...aine.html?_r=0


Wasn't aware that a Canadian website...would be dared called "American" or even "Libertarian"!

As for the links in this post? I guess if you're opposed to them then they're made up, not true or they misspoke.

[ELVIS]

Disgusting...

And the stupid sheeple think we're still the good guys...

It's laughable but to sad...

[Nickdfresh]

We have meddled and thanks to our wonderful "free" press here in the US...nobody knows about it. Now, I wonder who said... "National socialist ideas are popular here. …We want a clean nation, not like under Hitler, but a little bit like that."

Oh right! Of course, the "free press" that reports on NSA spying and other U.S. scandals is giving the evil Obama Admin a free pass on this one? Eh?

Here...We're meddling and it's the Obama Administration and the CIA under his watch!

http://www.hangthebankers.com/us-spe...ilize-ukraine/

"hang the bankers.com" is your source? I question their calculations and most of it is absurd. The Ukrainians have struggled for independence against a Russian gov't that merely sees them as another province for decades. We meddle? Do you have any idea how many Ukrainian politicians end up dying under mysterious circumstances?

THe Ukraine gave up their Soviet era nuclear weapons and transferred them to Russia on Western assurances that we would guarentee their security. We have every right to "meddle" on their behalf rather than watch them get steam rolled by an oil-funded Russian Army...

Nobody is saying that they're ALL neo-nazis...you didn't read the article though obviously and see the pictures. The symbol on their shirt is what then? All you need to know is that they are there on the ground and just like in Germany they're gaining traction. Traction that the US backed with its centralized banking. When '29 hit...they wanted Germany to pay their margain call for WWI. WWII was all but a certainty after that. The Nazi party rise through the German political landscape after their failed coup was an effort on multiple fronts. The most important one...the media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0y-JUsPTU

That's OUR State department doing the speaking.

We sent Lurch McDroopy there and what a job he did!

KIEV, Ukraine — In a demonstration of support for Ukraine’s fledgling government and a new swipe at Russia, Secretary of State John Kerry visited Kiev on Tuesday with an offer of $1 billion in an American loan guarantee and pledges of technical assistance.

Trudging through a damp mist, Mr. Kerry stopped first for an emotional visit to improvised memorials where protesters were gunned down last month as they voiced opposition to what was then Ukraine’s pro-Kremlin government.

Mr. Kerry placed a lighted candle at one of the shrines, which were draped with flowers and photographs of some of the victims; met with religious leaders; and listened to Ukrainians who beseeched him for help.

“We hope Russian troops will leave Crimea, and we also hope for your assistance,” a Ukrainian woman told Mr. Kerry as he walked along Instytutska Street.

“We are trying very hard,” Mr. Kerry responded. “We hope Russia will respect the election that you have.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/05/wo...aine.html?_r=0


Wasn't aware that a Canadian website...would be dared called "American" or even "Libertarian"!

As for the links in this post? I guess if you're opposed to them then they're made up, not true or they misspoke.

Oh God? That bastard John Kerry is loaning a democratic gov't money? Ukrainians deposed their shithead, Putin-puppet leader who had a 10% popularity rating and want to look more to the West and that's somehow a sin. The Russian gov't sent in snipers to assist him Kiev and open fire on unarmed people, they shot about 200 of those "Nazis"!


You wanna read on the Ukraine bud, try reading about the "Holomador". The whole thing here is like Germany telling Israel they need to secure Israeli territory with German-speaking Jews!

[Dr. Love]

Anyone remember the presidential debates where Romney was saying that Russia was the big threat and Obama ridiculed him? Everyone accused him of cold war mentality and being stuck in the 80s.

[Satan]

Well, it's not like Mittens was a prophet or anything (despite what some in Utah might one day say about him).

More like Mittens was on the Sheldon Adelson payroll, and the Russian ultra-zionists have made Russia the ultimate goal of their PNAC agenda from the beginning. Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith... all those guys still have a big grudge for what the Soviets did to the "refuseniks" decades ago, and they absolutely hated it when the cold war ended, because they thought Russia got off far too easy. They don't just want the Cold War back, they want to go back to that moment in 1944 when old George Patton - having just defeated old Adolf- wanted to keep the tanks rolling all the way to Moscow.

Obviously that would have been a shitty thing to do, given that Hitler never would have been defeated without the USSR's help. But had Patton got his way, there likely would be no nuclear missiles any where on the planet today, because the arms race(s) that built most of them would have never happened.

The cold war was probably exaggerated as far as any actual danger, apart from a few obvious incidents like the Cuban Missile Crisis. But at least you could look at a map and say, yes there was a real place called the USSR, and yeah, they actually had weapons. As opposed to that mostly fictional set of CIA puppets and phantoms the US has been chasing around the other side of the planet since 9-11-2001.

[Nickdfresh]

Anyone remember the presidential debates where Romney was saying that Russia was the big threat and Obama ridiculed him? Everyone accused him of cold war mentality and being stuck in the 80s.

They're not a big threat to us. Although they still have a lot of nukes hanging around. But when the economy over there flushes down the toilet, a lot of people are gonna be WTF just happened...

The Russians have a front line rapid deployment force of about 80,000 or so of sorts in their Army, then the rest are sodomized conscripts. They'd get their ass handed to them by virtually any NATO nation bigger than Luxemburg...

[DrMaddVibe]

Anyone remember the presidential debates where Romney was saying that Russia was the big threat and Obama ridiculed him? Everyone accused him of cold war mentality and being stuck in the 80s.

Or that Chrysler and GM would open plants in China as well? Yeah. Not so much as him being clairvoyant. Obama is just that dumb. Those that are still carrying the water for him have it worse!

http://www.toledoblade.com/Automotive/2014/01/30/Jeep-plans-to-build-version-of-Cherokee-at-China-plant.html

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/05/08/gm-build-cadillac-plant-china/

He reminded me of that lying kid running for class president. Stood on the stage and told us all how if he'd get the job we'd have pizza every day, balloons in the hallways and longer recesses. Won in a landslide and the next week told everyone that would listen how the lunch lady said pizza every day isn't nutritious, teachers said balloons cost money and the principal told him that school was for learning not for playing. Everyone already knew the kid was a big fat liar, still he got the job. Just like Obama. Had zero qualifications for the job. Just told people what they wanted to hear so they could project whatever they wanted on him. He's a liar too.

[DrMaddVibe]

Oh right! Of course, the "free press" that reports on NSA spying and other U.S. scandals is giving the evil Obama Admin a free pass on this one? Eh?



"hang the bankers.com" is your source? I question their calculations and most of it is absurd. The Ukrainians have struggled for independence against a Russian gov't that merely sees them as another province for decades. We meddle? Do you have any idea how many Ukrainian politicians end up dying under mysterious circumstances?

THe Ukraine gave up their Soviet era nuclear weapons and transferred them to Russia on Western assurances that we would guarentee their security. We have every right to "meddle" on their behalf rather than watch them get steam rolled by an oil-funded Russian Army...



Oh God? That bastard John Kerry is loaning a democratic gov't money? Ukrainians deposed their shithead, Putin-puppet leader who had a 10% popularity rating and want to look more to the West and that's somehow a sin. The Russian gov't sent in snipers to assist him Kiev and open fire on unarmed people, they shot about 200 of those "Nazis"!


You wanna read on the Ukraine bud, try reading about the "Holomador". The whole thing here is like Germany telling Israel they need to secure Israeli territory with German-speaking Jews!

Blah blah blah blah...you're so twisted up you forgot what you said posts ago. Which one is it? Are we or are we not supporting the crapfest over there?

As for "reading up on Ukraine"...you don't even know what's going on.

[Dr. Love]

Well, it's not like Mittens was a prophet or anything (despite what some in Utah might one day say about him).

More like Mittens was on the Sheldon Adelson payroll, and the Russian ultra-zionists have made Russia the ultimate goal of their PNAC agenda from the beginning. Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith... all those guys still have a big grudge for what the Soviets did to the "refuseniks" decades ago, and they absolutely hated it when the cold war ended, because they thought Russia got off far too easy. They don't just want the Cold War back, they want to go back to that moment in 1944 when old George Patton - having just defeated old Adolf- wanted to keep the tanks rolling all the way to Moscow.

Obviously that would have been a shitty thing to do, given that Hitler never would have been defeated without the USSR's help. But had Patton got his way, there likely would be no nuclear missiles any where on the planet today, because the arms race(s) that built most of them would have never happened.

The cold war was probably exaggerated as far as any actual danger, apart from a few obvious incidents like the Cuban Missile Crisis. But at least you could look at a map and say, yes there was a real place called the USSR, and yeah, they actually had weapons. As opposed to that mostly fictional set of CIA puppets and phantoms the US has been chasing around the other side of the planet since 9-11-2001.

Oh, my point only was to how dismissive the President was of the Russians. I still think Romney is a turd.

[Dr. Love]

They're not a big threat to us. Although they still have a lot of nukes hanging around. But when the economy over there flushes down the toilet, a lot of people are gonna be WTF just happened...

The Russians have a front line rapid deployment force of about 80,000 or so of sorts in their Army, then the rest are sodomized conscripts. They'd get their ass handed to them by virtually any NATO nation bigger than Luxemburg...

Well, as far as it looks, Putin isn't much worried about the pressure from the US and the west with regard to the Ukraine. Every time he's taken a step it seems like a lot of people believed that Putin wasn't crazy enough to go any further. Seems like he is more emboldened day after day with his approval numbers soaring. You'd think the economic sanctions would hurt, but unless europe stops buying all that gas, I don't know where it will stop. I think he's banking on a lack of appetite in the US and the west for an actual confrontation over it and will push the envelope as far as he can get away with.

That may not be a direct threat to us but it is a threat to stability and our interests around the world.

[DrMaddVibe]

What's REALLY Going On In Odessa, Ukraine
Ukrainian War Crimes Whitewashed by Western Press

After more than 30 people died in a fire in the Ukrainian seaside resort town of Odessa, most of the Western press pretended that no one knows what happened or whose fault it was. For example, see these stories from the Guardian and BBC.
But USA Today reports:

Witnesses and journalists reported that as the building burned with people inside, a crowd shouted, “Glory to Ukraine!” and “Death to enemies!” [These are neo-Nazi slogans.]

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[T]he Associated Press reported that the Russian sympathizers took refuge in the trade union hall on Kulikovo Field Square after government supporters rousted their encampment outside and then burned their tents. Police said the building was set on fire with Molotov cocktails.

At 5 seconds into this 15-second video, you can see a Molotov cocktail being thrown at the building in which the Russian sympathizers:

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</center>Former Associated Press and Newsweek reporter Robert Parry points out how bad New York Times coverage of the Odessa attack has been:

On Saturday, for instance, the dominant story from Ukraine was the killing of more than 30 ethnic Russian protesters by fire and smoke inhalation in Ukraine’s southern port city of Odessa. They had taken refuge in a union building after a clash with a pro-Kiev mob which reportedly included right-wing thugs.

Even the neocon-dominated Washington Post led its Saturday editions with the story of “Dozens killed in Ukraine fighting” and described the fatal incident this way: “Friday evening, a pro-Ukrainian mob attacked a camp where the pro-Russian supporters had pitched tents, forcing them to flee to a nearby government building, a witness said. The mob then threw gasoline bombs into the building. Police said 31 people were killed when they choked on smoke or jumped out of windows.

“Asked who had thrown the Molotov cocktails, pro-Ukrainian activist Diana Berg said, ‘Our people – but now they are helping them [the survivors] escape the building.’” [Here's the Post story.]

By contrast, here is how the New York Times reported the event in its Saturday editions as part of a story by C.J. Chivers and Noah Sneider focused on the successes of the pro-coup armed forces in overrunning some eastern Ukrainian rebel positions.

“Violence also erupted Friday in the previously calmer port city of Odessa, on the Black Sea, where dozens of people died in a fire related to clashes that broke out between protesters holding a march for Ukrainian unity and pro-Russian activists. The fighting itself left four dead and 12 wounded, Ukraine’s Interior Ministry said. Ukrainian and Russian news media showed images of buildings and debris burning, fire bombs being thrown and men armed with pistols.”

Note how the Times evades placing any responsibility on the pro-coup mob for trying to burn the “pro-Russian activists” out of a building, an act that resulted in the highest single-day death toll since the actual coup which left more than 80 people dead from Feb. 20-22. From reading the Times, you wouldn’t know who had died in the building and who had set the fire.

Billmon comments:

Not even “atrocities were commited,” just a fire “related” to clashes that “broke out.” Immaculate conception theory of war crimes.

Postscript: While the Western press tries to paint the percentage of neo Nazis within the new Ukrainian government as small, the leader of the “protests” which ousted the previous president of Ukraine is a neo Nazi and follower of WWII Nazi sympathizer Stepan Bandera, and neo Nazis are largely in control of the new government.
Whatever You Think of Putin, You Should Understand How Russia Thinks

Even if you think Putin is a tyrant with ambitions to build an imperial Russia, you can’t understand the war in Ukraine unless you understand how Russians think.
20 million Russians died fighting the Nazis in World War II.
Neo Nazis just killed at least 42 Russians when they firebombed a building in Odessa, Ukraine that the Russians had taken shelter in.
Agence France-Presse reports:

Russian official rhetoric has increasingly compared events in Ukraine to the darkest crimes of Nazi Germany, ahead of next week’s anniversary of Soviet victory in World War II.

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The fire in the southern Ukrainian city of Odessa that claimed at least 42 lives on Friday has been swiftly dubbed a new “reprisal raid” and even the “new Khatyn,” a reference to the Belarussian village where 149 residents were burned alive by the Nazis in 1943.

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The Khatyn massacre went down in Russian history books as one of the Nazis’ most brutal “reprisal raids,” a term the Kremlin has now adopted to describe the offensive Kiev authorities have launched against pro-Moscow rebels in the flashpoint town of Slavyansk.

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“What has happened, especially in the Trade Unions House, brings to mind the crimes of the Nazis during World War II,” pro-Kremlin lawmaker Leonid Slutsky told reporters in Moscow, referring to the Odessa fire.

“These are the new Khatyn and Auschwitz.”

A senior official in the pro-Kremlin government of Crimea, Ukraine’s peninsula taken over by Russia in March, chimed in.

“The last time people were burned alive in Ukraine was by the Nazis during the Great Patriotic War,” Rustam Temirgaliyev said on Facebook, referring to the Russian name for World War II.

***

Russia’s losses and sacrifice during World War II remain a hugely sensitive subject in the country ….

To the extent that the U.S. and Nato are backing the right-wing Ukrainians, we are creating conditions that the Russian leadership – rightly or wrongly – considers an existential threat.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-odessa-ukraine

[Nitro Express]

The bullshit going on in the Ukraine is for one reason and one reason only. To pull Russia into a war with NATO. Russia is too smart to take the bait. Meanwhile a lot of good people in the Ukraine suffer the bullshit. Good going Victoria Nuland. Also for you dual Israeli citizens from the US and Canada in Right Sector. It ain't working. Go back to Israel. I suggest you zionist nazis tear that wall down there. Walls never work.

[DrMaddVibe]

CIA, FBI agents 'advising Ukraine government' report

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Berlin (AFP) - Dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government, a German newspaper reported Sunday.
Citing unnamed German security sources, Bild am Sonntag said the CIA and FBI agents were helping Kiev end the rebellion in the east of Ukraine and set up a functioning security structure.
It said the agents were not directly involved in fighting with pro-Russian militants. "Their activity is limited to the capital Kiev," the paper said.
The FBI agents are also helping the Kiev government fight organised crime, it added.
A group specialised in financial matters is to help trace the wealth of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, according to the report.
The interim Kiev government took charge in late February after months of street protests forced the ouster of Kremlin-friendly Yanukovych.
Fierce battles between Ukrainian soldiers and pro-Russian separatists in the country's east have left more than 50 people dead in recent days.
Last month the White House confirmed that CIA director John Brennan had visited Kiev as part of a routine trip to Europe, in a move condemned by Moscow.

[Nickdfresh]

Blah blah blah blah...you're so twisted up you forgot what you said posts ago. Which one is it? Are we or are we not supporting the crapfest over there?

I would have to know which fucking crapfest you're talking about. The one where you blow Putin out of your mindless Obama hatred after sucking Bush's dick on this board for nearly a decade? The one where you're implying everything is an evil CIA plot? Fuck dude, I'M THE ONE TALKING OUT OF TWO SIDES OF MY MOUTH???? FFS!!! I know, Amerika is evil now we have a black Demo"rat" as a president, right?

As for "reading up on Ukraine"...you don't even know what's going on.

Right! Let me get on the mindless bankerhate.com site and catchup!

Why don't you and Elvis play smooshie cookie to the sounds of Alex Jones grunting overnight?

[Nickdfresh]

Well, as far as it looks, Putin isn't much worried about the pressure from the US and the west with regard to the Ukraine.

Actually, you're wrong. They're going after his secret bank accounts now and his Nuremberg Rally popularity with the unwashed Russian masses is beginning to fade with the economy...

Every time he's taken a step it seems like a lot of people believed that Putin wasn't crazy enough to go any further. Seems like he is more emboldened day after day with his approval numbers soaring. You'd think the economic sanctions would hurt, but unless europe stops buying all that gas, I don't know where it will stop. I think he's banking on a lack of appetite in the US and the west for an actual confrontation over it and will push the envelope as far as he can get away with.

That may not be a direct threat to us but it is a threat to stability and our interests around the world.

His approval numbers are declining. Putin got away with Crimea because the majority there actually did support him and he infiltrated the nation with Spetsnaz to augment the already large Russian military presence to gradually marginalize the Ukrainian military there in a relatively bloodless coup. It's different now, Kiev is fighting back. And a Russian invasion would mean a prolonged, bloody war with NATO ultimately arming the Ukrainians...