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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #46
    So, the devil only influences good criminals ??

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    • Satan
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Jan 2004
      • 6664

      #47
      Originally posted by ELVIS
      So, the devil only influences good criminals ??
      I'm the Most Intelligent of the Angels my Former Employer ever created. How would it serve my Most Unholy purposes to inspire idiots?

      That's why Chimp W. Bush was such a failure. He had all that evil DNA to work with, but with an IQ of 66.6, I just couldn't work with the moron.
      Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

      Originally posted by Sockfucker
      I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35210

        #48
        Deliberately conservative figure lays bare extent of possible miscarriages of justice suggesting that the innocence of more than 200 prisoners still in the system may never be recognised


        US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent

        Deliberately conservative figure lays bare extent of possible miscarriages of justice suggesting that the innocence of more than 200 prisoners still in the system may never be recognised.

        At least 4.1% of all defendants sentenced to death in the US in the modern era are innocent, according to the first major study to attempt to calculate how often states get it wrong in their wielding of the ultimate punishment.

        A team of legal experts and statisticians from Michigan and Pennsylvania used the latest statistical techniques to produce a peer-reviewed estimate of the “dark figure” that lies behind the death penalty – how many of the more than 8,000 men and women who have been put on death row since the 1970s were falsely convicted.

        The team arrived at a deliberately conservative figure that lays bare the extent of possible miscarriages of justice, suggesting that the innocence of more than 200 prisoners still in the system may never be recognised.

        The study concludes that were all innocent people who were given death sentences to be cleared of their offences, the exoneration rate would rise from the actual rate of those released – 1.6% – to at least 4.1%. That is equivalent in the time frame of the study, 1973 to 2004, of about 340 prisoners – a much larger group than the 138 who were exonerated in the same period.

        “This is a disturbing finding,” said Samuel Gross, a law professor at the University of Michigan law school who is the lead author of the research. “There are a large number of people who are sentenced to death, and despite our best efforts some of them have undoubtedly been executed.”

        The research team deployed statistical devices to put a figure on the proportion of cases of hidden innocence. In particular, they deployed a technique known as “survival analysis”, to calculate the percentage of prisoners who have been taken off death row but who might still be innocent.

        They also applied “sensitivity analysis”, to take into account possible cases of exonerations where the released prisoner is nonetheless guilty, and to ensure that the overall findings erred on the side of caution.

        The study, published in a prestigious journal, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, does not solve perhaps the greatest single riddle of the death penalty: how many innocent people have actually been put to death in modern times. That remains a haunting unknown.

        But Gross is clear that such final and irreparable injustices have occured.

        “If you look at the numbers in our study, at how many errors are made, then you cannot believe that we haven’t executed any innocent person – that would be wishful thinking.”

        Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center, which supplied some of the data on which the study depends, said “every time we have an execution, there is a risk of executing an innocent person. The risk may be small, but it’s unacceptable”.

        The ballpark figure of at least 4.1% innocence is higher than previous studies looking at exoneration rates that had smaller sample sizes and were more restricted in their remit. It is also considerably higher than the estimate given in 2007 by the conservative US supreme court justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote that American criminal convictions generally had an “error rate of .027% – or, to put it another way, a success rate of 99.973%”.

        The authors comment tartly with respect to Scalia’s skills as a statistician: “That would be comforting, if true. In fact, the claim is silly.”

        The single largest group of innocent death row inmates are neither exonerated and released nor executed, the study suggests. Rather, they are left in limbo, somewhere in between those two extremes of fortune.

        Gross and his co-authors estimate that 36% of all those sentenced to death between 1973 and 2004 – some 2,675 people – were taken off death row after doubts about their convictions were raised. But they were then put on new sentences, usually life without parole, that mean they will almost certainly die in prison.

        The study concludes chillingly that “the great majority of innocent defendants who are convicted of capital murder in the United States are neither executed nor exonerated. They are sentenced, or resentenced to prison for life, and then forgotten”.

        Gross said that this explains the 200 or so missing people highlighted by his study – men and women who are innocent and yet have not been exonerated. In most cases, they have probably been moved off death row.

        Because they are no longer under the threat of execution, they are no longer treated as priorities within the criminal justice system. They can no longer draw upon the help of experienced legal teams, and they may not be entitled to appeals. As a result, their chances of clearing their names plummet.

        “The best efforts of the judicial system are only devoted to prisoners when they face execution,” Gross said. “In many cases when people are released from death row, little or nothing is done to deal with the equally bad injustice they now face – that they will spend the rest of their lives in prison for a crime they didn’t commit.”

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58813

          #49
          I'm actually surprised it's only 4%. But then, that's a national average. I'm sure it's much higher in some states.

          I still have mixed feelings about the death penalty itself, but up here in Washington state, at least, there's an appeals process that borders on the ridiculous, when you have an obviously guilty piece of shit like Mitchell Rupe who shot two bank tellers in the face, and there was never a question of his guilt, yet he managed to delay his execution for years, literally make himself too fat to hang (which was then the standard form of execution here) and in a hilarious irony, overload his liver with high fructose corn poison in the process and eventually died a slow painful death from his self-inflicted damage.

          He didn't deserve the luxury of such a process, but I'm still glad it's there, in the event that somebody innocent should ever need it to free themselves from the needle.
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • Seshmeister
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Oct 2003
            • 35210

            #50
            I don't get your post at all.

            You think that more than 4% of people sentenced to death aren't guilty but you only have 'mixed' feelings about the death penalty?

            My point would be that killing of any innocent people at all would be entirely unacceptable.

            Plus I'm still not convinced that execution is worse than life with no parole in prison for most of these cunts.

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            • vandeleur
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Sep 2009
              • 9865

              #51
              Originally posted by Seshmeister


              Plus I'm still not convinced that execution is worse than life with no parole in prison for most of these cunts.

              Thats a point I was trying to make in a previous post
              fuck your fucking framing

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              • cadaverdog
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Aug 2007
                • 8955

                #52
                Even though there are people who deserve to die like Manson, his family and Richard Ramirez I'm not sure I still agree with taking another persons life unless you have to. Put assholes like Manson into general population in prison and let the other inmates admimister his punishment. If people like him knew they weren't going to get any protection in prison they might think before doing shit like that. Anybody who harms a child or a pregnant woman doesn't last long in general population in prison or county jail.
                Beware of Dog

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                • cadaverdog
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 8955

                  #53
                  I got another idea how to handle people who deserve the death penalty. Hand them a gun with one bullet in it and tell them to blow their brains out. If they hesitate kneecap them. If they still hesitate gut shoot them. If that don't do the trick let em heal a bit and do it again. Eventually they'll pull the trigger.
                  Beware of Dog

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                  • Seshmeister
                    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                    • Oct 2003
                    • 35210

                    #54
                    That's great, very helpful. So your solution to the problem of innocent people being executed is to torture them and then kill them?

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                    • ashstralia
                      ROTH ARMY ELITE
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 6566

                      #55
                      It's all butterflies and rainbows to expect to lock up recidivist criminals and 'correct' them.
                      The sad fact is most of them will re offend. And again.

                      There are certain cases an argument could be made on the pro side as well.
                      Let's also pause for a moment to think of the millions of cows pigs sheep chooks dogs and cats who died for human food today.

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                      • ashstralia
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 6566

                        #56
                        How good was my 'The Shining' reference?

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                        • vandeleur
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 9865

                          #57
                          Obscure
                          fuck your fucking framing

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                          • Seshmeister
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 35210

                            #58
                            Originally posted by ashstralia
                            It's all butterflies and rainbows to expect to lock up recidivist criminals and 'correct' them.
                            The sad fact is most of them will re offend. And again.
                            What's your solution, find some barren wasteland on the other side of the world and send them all there?

                            That could come back to bite you if they discover a bunch of natural resources...

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35210

                              #59
                              Or they start sending you back endless fucking movies about goblins and pixies...

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                              • vandeleur
                                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 9865

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Seshmeister
                                What's your solution, find some barren wasteland on the other side of the world and send them all there?

                                That could come back to bite you if they discover a bunch of natural resources...
                                He he
                                fuck your fucking framing

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