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[Kristy]

Marxism is the claim that industrialization would eventually lead to the collapse of the capitalist system of private property.

Wrong, fuckface. Marxism is the theoretical construct that capitalism exploits the working class. Look at Henry Ford, he was both a industrialist and a capitalist who believed in equal pay and private property. Marx had postulated that the struggle for personal livelihood was a chief concern among wage earners during the initial stage of industrialization. In other words, you fucking Nazi, Marx held to the adage that man does not live by bread alone but that he must live on sufficient bread in order to live at all. Kinds of puts your warped ideology on capitalist systems like Walmart who pay the worker little to survive on at all in a whole new perspective does it not!?

Marxism has been dumbed down to mean any attempt to share the wealth.

Strike two, fuckface. Marxism is has been distorted by capitalist who place Marx's quantitative economic consideration of the necessity biologic needs are forced upon society and quickly satiated. In other words, the rich only look out for themselves and cry foul when they soon realize nothing they do in life does not come with a price. Example? The Koch Brothers who rape the earth for personal gain and have no qualms in the damage they do to others in the process. Again, it's not about sharing any wealth, it's about exploiting the poor, the uneducated, the disenfranchised. You know, people like you and Smellvis who are the ones "dumbed down" who believe that a captilist system hold your best interests in heart.

I've also pointed out that enforcing economic equality is the basic tenet of socialism, of which Marxism is a subset.

Strike three. Marxism is a subset of the teachings of Georg Hegel and Engles who said:
The economic situation is a basis, but the various elements of the superstructure...also exercise their influence upon the course of historical struggles and in many cases, preponderate in determining their form. There is an interaction of all these element in which...the economic movement finally assets itself as necessity..."

Hardly socialism.

Dumbass.

[fraroc]

Whenever I see posts comparing 21st century America to Nazi Germany or Stallinist Russia, the immediate sense of anger I feel at the trite nature of the comparison and the massive dis-service to history is perpetuates is radically overcome by a howl of laughter that biting, savage nature of the irony that said indictment of the US government/state is post on the internet: the most democratic and open means of communication the world has ever known.

When the government does the following:

- blocks internet access and privately owned media
- rounds up political opponents and either murders or imprisons them
- creates a racial 'other' against which all of the hatred in the country is levelled to unify the Master Race
- invades Poland

then, and only then can you make those comparisons.

Until then, what you're really saying is: 'I don't agree with this thing that my government is doing because it impinges on the poorly-defined sense of freedom that I have'. You are the most free people in history.

I agree with you. I feel that despite the fact that we have fucking Christian fundie fucktards in politics that basically wipe their ass with the constitution and say "'Murica is a Christian nation", we are a lot more free than what we like to believe. Go look at North Korea, THAT is what REAL totalitarianism is.

[DONNIEP]

Hahahaha....God, Gubment, Gays, Guns...oh yeah, you're in the right place...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Hahahaha....God, Gubment, Gays, Guns...oh yeah, you're in the right place...

and google...

[DONNIEP]

and google...

Well, google is Devilly. So it fits under the God category. And the Gubment category too, since it's really just another Gubment tool to spy on God fearin' men and women in the privacy of their homes.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

word

[DONNIEP]

Now, Brother Elvis is gonna pass around the offerin' hat. Do generositize it!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Now, Brother Elvis is gonna pass around the offerin' hat. Do generositize it!

usin' them big kristy words, eh?

[DONNIEP]

usin' them big kristy words, eh?

Hell yes I am. I have to make up most of 'em because I have google blocked in my house.

Ok, is it time to move on to the never ending Gay argument? And no, I'm not talking about Von's "eccentricities".

[Kristy]

Google blocked? Is that like internet cock blocking?

Don't worry about Smellvis. He'll be around once he's done his work of "collecting" all the aluminum cans in his trailer park.

[Nitro Express]

Hell yes I am. I have to make up most of 'em because I have google blocked in my house.

Ok, is it time to move on to the never ending Gay argument? And no, I'm not talking about Von's "eccentricities".

Hey just because Von likes to oil wrestle Ziggy to "Dreams" and "When Love Walks In" does no make him a bad guy. He's still a human being.

[Nitro Express]

The current state of the US is the result of a few generations having it good, getting complacent, and being distracted by entertainment. With Bubba distracted the corporate gangsters took advantage and the robber barons are in charge. We went through a similar thing a century ago. The thing is we didn't have a big military to bully people with as much back then. Oh we might have stolen Hawaii and a few things but the geopolitical abuse was less.

We made things more equal over the years. We got the slaves off the plantation. Now everyone is a slave unless you are in the top 1%.

[FORD]

Well, google is Devilly. So it fits under the God category. And the Gubment category too, since it's really just another Gubment tool to spy on God fearin' men and women in the privacy of their homes.

[Nitro Express]

You can have a Marxist system or a capitalist system and what happens in the end is a few people at the top end up running the whole show. Capitalism unchecked becomes an oligarchy in the end. It's why you need a democratic republic government to keep the markets fair. Since human beings tend to be greedy son of a bitches and are far from perfect, there is no perfect system.

I've never seen a Marxist system better a capitalistic system with the proper government regulation. Communism just doesn't work. The central planning is usually a disaster and it always ends up going broke. You just don't have the incentive or drive in such a system. As the old soviet joke goes,"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."

What failed in the US was the citizens. They failed to keep their government in check and the government failed to keep the free markets fair. The oligarchs bought off the government because the government bought off the citizens. As long as everyone got their pork or welfare, nobody cared what the politicians did. People really do get the government they deserve. The citizens of the US achieved the rarity of having self-government and pissed it away. What a sorry bunch of pricks.

[Nitro Express]

Actually if I was a liberal I would live in Boulder, Colorado. I would do everything in my power to make sure global warming really happened because the rising ocean levels would put Florida and a good part of Texas underwater. Good buy Republicans! The Democrats would rule the US uncontested. Move to the high ground and let it happen.