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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #31
    Originally posted by Angel

    Why did they call Indians "redskin"?...

    Because of the blood they were covered in after being scalped. And the US government paid $5 per scalp...

    Just The Facts: The Real History Of The Word Redskin

    By Quinn Jordan

    “It was a cold, wintery Sunday afternoon in December of 1983. I was 8 years old and stuck inside with not much to do. I was hanging out in my room alone, which I often did when I couldn’t go outside to play, watching my old black and white tv set that only had our local channels. On channel 3 there was a football game on. I wasn’t the biggest football fan at the time because I was more into my Star Wars toys. As I watched this football game I became intrigued. One of the teams had a boring helmet that just read ‘Giants’ on the side. The other team however, had a really cool looking helmet with an Indian head logo, were playing on a “painted dirt field” something called “The Hogs,” a guy named “The Diesel,” and an awesome fight song. Their nickname sounded really cool too, the “Redskins.” I thought the Redskins were the coolest thing ever! I had no clue what kind of controversy that the Redskins nickname bore. To me it was just the name of a football team and ‘redskin’ meant Indian. Fast forward 30 years and the innocence of “Redskins” has all but faded.

    As I sat down to write this essay, news broke about the Redskins having their trademark canceled. Darren Rovell, a writer for ESPN, reported that “The United States Patent and Trademark Office has canceled the team’s trademark on the basis that it is “disparaging to Native Americans.” Native American activist groups have been in a legal battle with the Redskins for more than two decades, trying to get the ‘Skins trademark revoked. In by doing so, the Native American activists are trying to force the Redskins to change their name because they believe it to be a racial epithet. The Washington Redskins are under heavy pressure from, not just Indian activist, but also members of the United States Congress. In May 50 US Senators signed a letter addressed to Redskins owner Dan Snyder urging him to change the name. Erick Brady, a sports writer for USA Today, who cites a quote from the letter, stating, “The NFL can no longer ignore this and perpetuate the use of this name as anything but what it is: a racial slur.”

    Pressure is mounting from the media, government officials, and a few Indian activists to force the Washington Redskins to change their name. However, the Redskins should not change their name because the fact ‘redskin’ is a racial slur is debatable and the Redskins have been honoring the Native American since their beginning.

    Is ‘redskin’ a racial slur? That is a topic of debate that even highly accomplished scholars can’t even answer. J. Gordon Hylton, a Professor of Law at Marquette University, writes that if you were to look up the word ‘redskin’ in “widely used English language dictionaries”prior to 1983 you would find that ‘redskin’ was simply a noun for an American or North American Indian (“Why”). Hylton claims the 1983 edition of “Webster’s Third International Dictionary and Collegiate Dictionary, 9th Edition” were the first dictionaries to add the phrase “usually taken to be offensive” in addition to the definition of ‘redskin’ (“Why”). So ‘redskin’ was not defined in our dictionaries as a racial slur prior to 1983.

    ‘Redskin’ as a racial slur gained a lot of momentum in 1992. The “bloody scalp” theory gained national recognition thanks to Indian activist Susan Shown Harjo. Adrian Jawort, a member of the Northern Cheyenne Tribe and a writer for Indian Country Today, writes that Susan Shown Harjo, in her trademark case versus Pro Football, which she and her fellow plaintiffs would go on to lose because of a lack of evidence supporting her claim, claimed that ‘redskin’ meant ‘scalp’ and it “derived from referring to bloody Indian scalps during the onset of the French and Indian War.” However, Ives Goddard, a Senior Linguist at the Smithsonian Institute of Natural History, writes that Harjo’s claim is “unfounded” and that the word ‘redskin’ has a very “benign” beginning (1). In the beginning of ‘redskin’ Goddard states that ‘redskin’ was first used by “three chiefs of the Piankashaws, a Miami speaking people, sent to Lt. Col. John Wilkins four talks, written out for them in French, in 1769” (4). He then goes on to explain the early known published “occurrence of redskin” happened in July of 1815 with two speeches made by Indian chiefs (6). Goddard concludes in his seven month researched article, that “It is clear from the earliest citations that ‘redskin’ was regarded as an Indian expression” and that “the early users of expression that were translated as ‘redskin’ no term for ‘Indian’ with the same literal meaning is known” (11 and 12). With having a better understanding of the word ‘redskin’ and where it came from, evidence shows that this word was developed by Native Americans and used by the Indian people.

    The ‘redskin’ is a racial slur because it means “bloody scalp” definition given by Harjo, is sensationalism and revisionist history. Creating a meaning of grotesque negativity where one didn’t exist, was a way for an activist to fit her political agenda and try to win sympathy from the American public that just didn’t know any better. How many Americans are bothered by the Redskins name because they were told, by a Native American, that ‘redskin’ means “bloody scalp” and that is what the Washington football team is named after? In a personal interview with Goddard, he stated that ‘redskin’ “was an authentic word for Indian” and that “this is a political debate and in the rules of [a] political debate you don’t need evidence. It [‘redskin’ meaning bloody scalp] is based on an allegation of fact which has never been supported by the usual ways [historians] support the allegation of fact.” The ‘bloody scalp’ theory is the main theory behind ‘redskin’ being offensive, however no evidence has been found to back such claims. A large portion of people have had their opinions formed based on information that is misleading.

    Although ‘redskin’ has a pretty innocent beginning, it is not clear when the word developed a negative connotation. Hylton writes in his article, “Why Is the Word Redskin so Offensive?” that there are examples like “Earl Emmons’ 1915 Redskin Rimes” and Hollywood Westerns that used ‘redskin’ negatively. He also states that many examples can be found of ‘Indian’ being used “while making derogatory comments” namely “Gen. Phillip Sheridan’s much repeated observation that The only good Indian is a dead Indian” (“Why”). By 1969 ‘redskin’ was defined with a “qualification” as being “informal,” which, according to Hylton, “may be a recognition that ‘redskin’ was passing out of everyday usage” (“Why”). As noted earlier it wasn’t until 1983 that dictionaries qualified ‘redskin’ with any kind of acknowledgement of it being offensive (“Why”). There just aren’t many facts to support
    the claim that ‘redskin’ is a racial slur. Furthermore, the fact that there is not much evidence to pinpoint exactly when the word became a negative connotation, is proof enough that the “redskin is a slur” argument is debatable.

    Another reason the Redskins should not change their name is because the name Redskins is meant to honor the Native American. In 1932 the National Football League awarded George Preston Marshall and the city of Boston an expansion franchise. In the early days of the NFL, according to Hylton, it was common for new expansion teams to adopt the identities of their hometown baseball team and since Marshall’s new football team was to play their home games at Braves Field, home of the National League’s Boston Braves, it made sense for Marshall to name his football team the Braves (“Before” 888). However, the very next season Marshall was faced with a dilemma. Hylton writes that in “1933 Marshall and the owners of Braves Field failed to reach an agreement to renew the team’s lease for the upcoming [NFL] season” (“Before” 889). Which meant that Marshall had to find a new home venue for his football team to play. The other home stadium option for Marshall was Fenway Park, home of the American League’s Boston Red Sox (Hylton 889). So with his team moving from Braves Field to Fenway Park, Marshall felt he needed to come up with a new identity for his football team. Marshall had an affinity for the Native American culture, “due to his family’s connection with the town of Romney, West Virginia” and the fact that Romney is a site “of one of the best known Indian burial mounds in the eastern United States” (Hylton “Before” 888). In keeping true to form Marshall decided to go with Redskins, in part to keep the Native American theme and also because Redskins sounds similar to Red Sox.

    There is also the belief that Marshall named his team the Redskins to honor his new head coach, William “Lonestar” Dietz, who was a “well-known college coach widely believed to be Native American” (Hylton “Before” 888). While there may be some debate as to the validity of “Lonestar” Dietz’s Native American ancestry, there is no debate to the fact that Marshall wanted to have an authentic “Indian” football team (Hylton “Why”). In 1933 six different Native American players wore the Redskin Indian Head jersey (Hylton “Before” 889). The Washington Redskins are named after Native Americans and are meant to honor the great American Indian.

    Furthermore, another important way that the Redskins honor the Native American, is by their famous Indian head logo. A logo that according to Kerry Byrne, a Native Historian, was designed after Tammanend. “Also known as Tammany, [he] was a 17th century Lenni Lenape (Delaware Indian) sachem and confidante of William Penn” (Byrne). Byrne states that “Tamanend’s influence on the colonies and the young America nation was so profound that he was dubbed the Patron Saint of America and holidays were celebrated in his honor.” Going back to the earlier discussion on Marshall choosing Braves as his original name to coincide with the NL’s Braves, it should be noted that baseball’s Braves owner, James Gaffney, was a “political operative and influential member of New York’s Tammany Hall” (Byrne). It is important to note that because Gaffney adopted Tammany’s likeness for his baseball uniforms (Byrne). While playing at Braves Field the new NFL team adopted the same “Indian head logo of Saint Tammany” (Byrne). Understanding the origin of the Redskins nickname and logo it can be proven that George Preston Marshall did not choose Redskins to intentionally disparage or discriminate the Native American people. Marshall was trying to honor the American Indian with a name that was strong, a name that was symbolic, and by hiring a Native American coach and six Indian players.

    Many people object to, and are offended by the Redskins name, including Native Americans themselves, and these people want to see a name change. However, it is unclear just how offended the Native American people are as a whole. Kathleen Hall Jamieson wrote an article covering the Annenberg poll done in 2004. In the poll 768 self-identified Native Americans were asked whether Redskins was offensive or not (Jamieson). An overwhelming 90% said that they were not offended by the Redskins name (Jamieson). Although that is a small sample of the Indian population, ninety percent is an astounding number. The media is leading a charge to convince the public that ‘redskin’ is offensive to all Native Americans and that the term has always been offensive. In a personal interview with ReGina J. Zuni, a member of the Isleta Pueblo Tribe in New Mexico and a fourth generation Redskins fan, she said “If a Native American is offended [by ‘redskin’], then it is their personal choice to be offended. Not all Native Americans are offended.” It is also noteworthy to point out the name of Red Mesa High School. Red Mesa High School is located in Red Mesa Arizona. And why is that noteworthy? Because Red Mesa High School is located on the Navajo Reservation, and their nickname is…the Redskins! So if ‘redskin’ is so offensive to the Native American people then how can one of their own high schools use Redskins as their nickname? Furthermore, located in a town called Anadarko, “Indian Capital of the Nation,” Oklahoma, is the Redskin Theatre (see fig. 1). Redskin is still used by Native Americans today as a use of honor and remembrance.

    Another argument against the Redskins name is Indian activists and members of our government claim that ‘redskin’ is a slur just as offensive as “n—–” and that is why the Redskins should change their name. To back such a claim, ‘redskin’ would have to have a similar historical context as “n—–” Calvin Fogle writes that “The racial slur “n—–”, which is considered by many to be one of the worst racial epithets in the United States, if not the worst from a historical and socio-political standpoint” (83 and 84). The term “n—–” has always been identified with slaves and the mistreatment of blacks in our country, and to this day is still recognized as the most heinous word in the English language. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary states in their on-line description of “n—–,” “a member of a socially disadvantaged class of people” and “it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English.” The same cannot be said for ‘redskin.’ While the “offensiveness” of a racial slur is purely subjective and each slur carries their own weight, the argument that ‘redskin’ is just as offensive as “n—–” is one that doesn’t work. ‘Redskin’ doesn’t have the same historical context that “n—–” does and there are not any facts to back such a claim. The fact that there is even a debate as to whether ‘redskin’ is even a slur in the first place is proof enough that the two slurs are not equal.

    While I am certainly sympathetic and have tremendous empathy for those that have been discriminated and disparaged against, the Washington Redskins should not be bullied into changing their name by a few activist and our government. The fact of the matter is the Redskins are not discriminating or disparaging. The American public should not be brainwashed to fit a political agenda over something that is simply debatable at best. Yes there are Native Americans that are offended by the Redskins name. However, there are plenty that are not. Do the voices of those not offended, not matter? There are Native Americans that believe Redskins is honor, tradition, and pride, see Red Mesa High School. If we remove all Native American logos and sports nicknames, then we will also be removing the American Indian from our every day conscious. A great quote from an article on HTTR4LIFE states that, Melvin Phillips, a full-blooded Oneida Indian, said “Hey we used to be on the nickel, but then someone thought it was racist and now no one remembers us anymore.” Perhaps that is the government’s goal by pursuing this fight instead of focusing on the many pressing issues that plague Native American Reservations. Sports are a release for the American sports fan, Native Americans included. Sports fans love and honor their teams and players. Sports, if done respectfully, can honor the great Native American long thought to be forgotten. Despite the insane amount of controversy surrounding my beloved Washington Redskins, I still watch every game with the innocence of that 8 year old boy.”

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #32
      Still 100% sure, you dumb broad ??

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      • Satan
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2004
        • 6664

        #33
        Originally posted by Angel
        100% sure...and I have yet to meet a person with red skin. Various shades of brown, but no red...
        Hey, what am I, chopped dragon liver?
        Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

        Originally posted by Sockfucker
        I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32942

          #34
          I love all these divide and conquer tactics. People are making it like the KKK and neo Nazis are having million man marches and black people hang from the trees like Christmas ornaments. Got to try and rub salt in old wounds. Got to start a race war. This shit is so 1960's. It's old and frankly less people give a damn.
          Last edited by Nitro Express; 12-09-2014, 05:15 PM.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • ELVIS
            Banned
            • Dec 2003
            • 44120

            #35
            Originally posted by Satan
            Hey, what am I?
            A Socialist asshole who deletes content he doesn't like, for starters...

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            • Angel
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Jan 2004
              • 7481

              #36
              Originally posted by ELVIS
              Still 100% sure, you dumb broad ??
              Yes...I am 100% sure, and I know the debates about it as well. Plain and simple, it's a derogatory racial slur.

              Still a misogynistic cunt? Yes, you are...
              "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #37
                You're really an idiot, aren't you ??

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120

                  #38
                  Maybe you should actually read up on the subject, or at the very least, read this thread...

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    #39
                    Here's a song for you...



                    Compliments of DONNIEP...

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                    • Angel
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7481

                      #40
                      Originally posted by ELVIS
                      I can also be seen as spelled Misketo...

                      I'm wondering if the angry revisionist historian Angel has even heard the name...
                      Mosquito First Nation is Treaty 6 territory. It is a Nakota/Cree band.

                      Your quote is in English so means nothing because it was an English speaking person who translated it. Give it to me in Cree and I will tell you exactly what he said.

                      Considering my minor is Indigenous Studies and many of my classes are taught by traditional Elders through the oral tradition...I'll take their knowledge over yours any time...
                      "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                      • Angel
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 7481

                        #41
                        Just for you, Elvis:
                        Nohtawinan
                        Kisemanito
                        Wihchihinan mina
                        Kanaweyiminan AnochKa-Kisikiak Niyanan
                        Kitawaimisak
                        Napewak-napesisak
                        Iskwewak- iskwesisak
                        Ekwa
                        Kahkiyaw
                        Kotakak
                        Aysiniwak
                        Ota
                        AskiyikKita-tamihinan
                        Last edited by Angel; 12-09-2014, 06:13 PM.
                        "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                        • Satan
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 6664

                          #42
                          Originally posted by ELVIS
                          A Socialist asshole who deletes content he doesn't like, for starters...
                          That's Demoncratic Socialist, actually.

                          Here in Hell, we have a socialized infrastructure, a strong safety net, and a well regulated, most unholy private sector that manufactures all that we can do in this climate, and we import the rest of it.
                          Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

                          Originally posted by Sockfucker
                          I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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                          • DONNIEP
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 13373

                            #43
                            "It is open season on black men, and it is in many ways as bad as it was fifty years ago. "

                            Tavis Smiley

                            Why don't we do this - why don't we reduce most crimes to simple misdemeanors. Strong Armed Robbery? Misdemeanor. Assault? Misdemeanor. Rape? Misdemeanor. Home invasion? Heck, we'll just call that Visitation Without Invitation. Carjack some old lady in the Walmart parking lot? Yeah, we'll make that a misdemeanor too. Then all the people who want to commit these acts (can't call them criminals because as long as they don't get caught and/or convicted in a court of law then they're not criminals), black and white, can live without fear of being confronted by the police. I mean, almost nobody wants to lay any responsibility for what happened to Michael Brown on him. And why should we? I mean, strong arm robbing somebody is really no big deal. Well, unless it's one of you that's getting robbed. Then it would be a huge fucking deal. Or maybe you'd just say "Hey, hop in the car and I'll drive you to the ATM and max out my withdrawals for today!"
                            American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                            • ELVIS
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 44120

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Angel
                              Give it to me in Cree and I will tell you exactly what he said.
                              Whatever, and the original translation was French, but you knew that, right ??

                              Anyway, I expect uneducated, government created ghetto street ******s to scream racism every time Al Sharpton tells them how high to jump...

                              But from a supposedly educated woman who does know a little something about people, and Indian culture in particular, it's downright tragic...

                              You need to stop latching onto bullshit divide and conquer agendas and focus on some truth...

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