Sanders 2016!!

[FORD]

So who won the second Democratic Debate??

Here's the real polls.... read em before the Camp Weathervane/DLC/HillBot spin factory manipulation starts....

TIME

http://time.com/4110860/democratic-debate-poll-who-won/

Sanders 81%
Clinton 14%
O'Malley 5%

CBS Local

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/11/14/poll-who-do-you-think-won-the-second-democratic-presidential-debate/

Sanders 94%
Clinton 4%
O'Malley 2%

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/119894/20151114/who-won-democratic-debate-did-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-or-martin-omalley-impress-you-poll.htm

Sanders 90%
Clinton 6%
O'Malley 4%

Slate

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/democratic_presidential_debate_who_won_vote_in_our_poll.html

Sanders 80%
Clinton 14%
O'Malley 3%

Syracuse.com

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/11/poll_who_won_saturdays_democratic_2016_presidential_debate.html

Sanders 92%
Clinton 5%
O'Malley 3%

Washington Times

http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2015/nov/14/who-won-2nd-democratic-debate/

Sanders 95%
Clinton 4%
O'Malley 3%

Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/democrats/11996604/Democratic-debate-who-won.html

Sanders 87%
Clinton 7%
O'Malley 5%

FOX

http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/11/14/poll-who-won-the-2nd-democratic-debate/

Sanders 88%
Clinton 9%
O'Malley 3%

CSPAN

https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN?_rdr=p

Sanders 80%
Clinton 16%
O'Malley 4%

[FORD]

Hillary is really Lois Griffin

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[Seshmeister]

Hillary has literally no arguments left about anything except "I'm a woman".

It's the one thing she hasn't stolen from Bernie.

I wonder about that though with politicians, it's the argument made here for voting for minority parties that can't end up in power. If say 10% of people vote for a green party that then makes the main parties move towards those policies to get the votes.

If Bernie moves or allows Hillary to move a bit to the left then is that not in your interests?

It's of course fucking ludicrous that Hillary was anti gay marriage just a couple of years ago but is now suddenly fine with it the minute the numbers made it sense.

The completely opposite but at least as valid way to look at that is that by being so incredibly cynical she will represent the views of the majority of the US population so democratically the best option? I'm not saying that's correct but it's a valid argument. I don't like the way that flip flopping is represented as a negative thing for a politician because changing an opinion often shows that you can react to a change in situation or the evidence for an opinion has changed.

[FORD]

Hillary is pretending to campaign to the left while deploying her DLC surrogates to spread the lie that "Bernie can't win" (while many polls actually show just the opposite, with Bernie doing better against The Rug That Roared than Hillary is.)

But Bill and Obama both campaigned to "the left" as well. I still have Bill's 1992 campaign brochure around here somewhere, and if you read it, the guy sounds like another FDR. Much like Obama did in his 2008 campaign. But we know that's not how either one turned out to be in reality, and Hillary would be the same. Cabinet full of Wall Street & MonSatan shills, and a complete 180 on everything she SAYS she believes in at the moment.

The things Bernie says now are consistent with his past track record all the way back to when he was mayor of Burlington VT. Obviously he would face obstruction from right wing douchebags in Congress, but at least the Executive branch of the government would be on the side of the people again.

[FORD]

Brothers and Sisters -

My father Eli immigrated to America from Poland in 1921 after World War I at the age of 17. He was not a refugee fleeing war, although much of his family later became victims of the Holocaust. He came to America looking to make a better life. He never made a lot of money, but it didn’t matter because he was able to start a family and send his two sons to college. That meant the world to him and he loved this country.

While my father came here as an immigrant, many have also come as refugees fleeing war, oppression and violence. That's why I opposed the call of some to turn away unaccompanied children who showed up on our borders from Latin America. We must not allow the horrific violence we have seen in France and elsewhere to turn us from our historic role as a haven for the oppressed.

In terms of the Syrian refugee situation we are now facing, now is not the time for us to succumb to racism and bigotry. In this moment, it is particularly important that we not allow ourselves to be divided by the anti-immigrant hysteria that Republican presidential candidates are ginning up.

When hundreds of thousands of people have lost everything and have nothing left but the shirts on their backs, we should not turn our backs on these refugees escaping violence in the Middle East. Of course we have to investigate the backgrounds of people coming into the country — and we will — but to suggest that we would even turn away orphans is incredible.

Sign my petition to say you support continuing the refugee program that promises to resettle 10,000 Syrians, mostly women and children, who are escaping violence in their home country.

The rhetoric and fear mongering about these refugees from some Republicans running for President is abhorrent and has no place in our political discourse.

Donald Trump has not just called for keeping out Syrian refugees, he also said he thinks it's a good idea to create a national database of all Muslims in America. Meanwhile, Ben Carson said some Syrian refugees are like "rabid dogs" and referred to the rest of Syrian refugees as just "dogs." This disgusting rhetoric cannot be tolerated.

Other Republicans have suggested rounding up existing refugees and deporting them. And yesterday afternoon, the House of Representatives voted on a plan that would make it near impossible for the United States to continue our Syrian refugee program.

This is not what America stands for.

Syrians and other refugees from the Middle East are escaping unspeakable horrors. To get to our country, refugees already go through a vigorous vetting program by the FBI, National Counterterrorism Center, Homeland Security and the State Department. The process takes almost two years and refugees from Syria face additional scrutiny.

We should continue our program to provide Syrians fleeing violence with the opportunity for a new life. I hope you’ll join me to stand together to admit Syrian refugees. Sign my petition here:

https://go.berniesanders.com/support-refugees

Thank you for standing with me and making your voice heard on this important issue.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

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[jacksmar]

Brothers and Sisters -
In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

Socialism - too fail to big

[Kristy]

That was ghey.