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  • Von Halen
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Dec 2003
    • 7500

    Yes, he's still spouting the truth, and you just confirmed it.

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    • cadaverdog
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Aug 2007
      • 8955

      Originally posted by Von Halen
      Yes, he's still spouting the truth, and you just confirmed it.
      The truth? They can't handle the truth.
      Beware of Dog

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58807

        Truth has a Liberal bias.
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • cadaverdog
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Aug 2007
          • 8955

          Originally posted by FORD
          Truth has a Liberal bias.
          Liberal: A group of liars. Origin: Comes from a combination of the words lie and bureau. The popular 70s game show The Liars Club was originally called The Liberals but the producer thought that might keep Conservatives from watching it.
          BTW: The Liars Club is back now but the name has been changed to The Young Turks.
          Beware of Dog

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          • cadaverdog
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Aug 2007
            • 8955

            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
            Don't make me point out that Newcastle is dyed shit..
            Newcastle Brown Ale is dyed shit? What color is shit where you come from? Can't comment on the taste of Broon Ale myself. Haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
            Beware of Dog

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            • vandeleur
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Sep 2009
              • 9865

              Originally posted by cadaverdog
              Newcastle Brown Ale is dyed shit? What color is shit where you come from? Can't comment on the taste of Broon Ale myself. Haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
              You haven't tried dog ... what the Fuck is your problem.
              Shakes head in disappointment
              fuck your fucking framing

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49216

                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                Newcastle Brown Ale is dyed shit? What color is shit where you come from? Can't comment on the taste of Broon Ale myself. Haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
                Depends on how much I drank the night before...

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49216

                  The Moscow Candidate?

                  Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say

                  By Craig Timberg November 24
                  The flood of “fake news” this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.

                  Russia’s increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery — including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human “trolls,” and networks of websites and social-media accounts — echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.

                  Two teams of independent researchers found that the Russians exploited American-made technology platforms to attack U.S. democracy at a particularly vulnerable moment, as an insurgent candidate harnessed a wide range of grievances to claim the White House. The sophistication of the Russian tactics may complicate efforts by Facebook and Google to crack down on “fake news,” as they have vowed to do after widespread complaints about the problem.

                  There is no way to know whether the Russian campaign proved decisive in electing Trump, but researchers portray it as part of a broadly effective strategy of sowing distrust in U.S. democracy and its leaders. The tactics included penetrating the computers of election officials in several states and releasing troves of hacked emails that embarrassed Clinton in the final months of her campaign.

                  “They want to essentially erode faith in the U.S. government or U.S. government interests,” said Clint Watts, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute who along with two other researchers has tracked Russian propaganda since 2014. “This was their standard mode during the Cold War. The problem is that this was hard to do before social media.”

                  During a Facebook live discussion, reporter Caitlin Dewey explained how fake news sites use Facebook as a vehicle to function and make money. (The Washington Post)
                  Watts’s report on this work, with colleagues Andrew Weisburd and J.M. Berger, appeared on the national security online magazine War on the Rocks this month under the headline “Trolling for Trump: How Russia Is Trying to Destroy Our Democracy.” Another group, called PropOrNot, a nonpartisan collection of researchers with foreign policy, military and technology backgrounds, planned to release its own findings Friday showing the startling reach and effectiveness of Russian propaganda campaigns. (Update: The report came out on Saturday).

                  The researchers used Internet analytics tools to trace the origins of particular tweets and mapped the connections among social-media accounts that consistently delivered synchronized messages. Identifying website codes sometimes revealed common ownership. In other cases, exact phrases or sentences were echoed by sites and social-media accounts in rapid succession, signaling membership in connected networks controlled by a single entity.

                  PropOrNot’s monitoring report, which was provided to The Washington Post in advance of its public release, identifies more than 200 websites as routine peddlers of Russian propaganda during the election season, with combined audiences of at least 15 million Americans. On Facebook, PropOrNot estimates that stories planted or promoted by the disinformation campaign were viewed more than 213 million times.

                  Some players in this online echo chamber were knowingly part of the propaganda campaign, the researchers concluded, while others were “useful idiots” — a term born of the Cold War to describe people or institutions that unknowingly assisted Soviet Union propaganda efforts.

                  Consider these points before sharing a news article on Facebook. It could be fake. (Monica Akhtar/The Washington Post)
                  The Russian campaign during this election season, researchers from both groups say, worked by harnessing the online world’s fascination with “buzzy” content that is surprising and emotionally potent, and tracks with popular conspiracy theories about how secret forces dictate world events.

                  Some of these stories originated with RT and Sputnik, state-funded Russian information services that mimic the style and tone of independent news organizations yet sometimes include false and misleading stories in their reports, the researchers say. On other occasions, RT, Sputnik and other Russian sites used social-media accounts to amplify misleading stories already circulating online, causing news algorithms to identify them as “trending” topics that sometimes prompted coverage from mainstream American news organizations.

                  The speed and coordination of these efforts allowed Russian-backed phony news to outcompete traditional news organizations for audience. Some of the first and most alarming tweets after Clinton fell ill at a Sept. 11 memorial event in New York, for example, came from Russian botnets and trolls, researchers found. (She was treated for pneumonia and returned to the campaign trail a few days later.)

                  This followed a spate of other misleading stories in August about Clinton’s supposedly troubled health. The Daily Beast debunked a particularly widely read piece in an article that reached 1,700 Facebook accounts and was read online more than 30,000 times. But the PropOrNot researchers found that the version supported by Russian propaganda reached 90,000 Facebook accounts and was read more than 8 million times. The researchers said the true Daily Beast story was like “shouting into a hurricane” of false stories supported by the Russians.

                  This propaganda machinery also helped push the phony story that an anti-Trump protester was paid thousands of dollars to participate in demonstrations, an allegation initially made by a self-described satirist and later repeated publicly by the Trump campaign. Researchers from both groups traced a variety of other false stories — fake reports of a coup launched at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey and stories about how the United States was going to conduct a military attack and blame it on Russia — to Russian propaganda efforts.

                  The final weeks of the campaign featured a heavy dose of stories about supposed election irregularities, allegations of vote-rigging and the potential for Election Day violence should Clinton win, researchers said.

                  “The way that this propaganda apparatus supported Trump was equivalent to some massive amount of a media buy,” said the executive director of PropOrNot, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid being targeted by Russia’s legions of skilled hackers. “It was like Russia was running a super PAC for Trump’s campaign. . . . It worked.”

                  He and other researchers expressed concern that the U.S. government has few tools for detecting or combating foreign propaganda. They expressed hope that their research detailing the power of Russian propaganda would spur official action.

                  A former U.S. ambassador to Russia, Michael A. McFaul, said he was struck by the overt support that Sputnik expressed for Trump during the campaign, even using the #CrookedHillary hashtag pushed by the candidate.

                  McFaul said Russian propaganda typically is aimed at weakening opponents and critics. Trump’s victory, though reportedly celebrated by Putin and his allies in Moscow, may have been an unexpected benefit of an operation that already had fueled division in the United States. “They don’t try to win the argument,” said McFaul, now director of the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford University. “It’s to make everything seem relative. It’s kind of an appeal to cynicism.”

                  The Kremlin has repeatedly denied interfering in the U.S. election or hacking the accounts of election officials. “This is some sort of nonsense,” Dmitry Peskov, press secretary for Putin, said last month when U.S. officials accused Russia of penetrating the computers of the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations.

                  RT disputed the findings of the researchers in an e-mail on Friday, saying it played no role in producing or amplifying any fake news stories related to the U.S. election. “It is the height of irony that an article about “fake news” is built on false, unsubstantiated claims. RT adamantly rejects any and all claims and insuations that the network has originated even a single “fake story” related to the US election,” wrote Anna Belkina, head of communications.

                  The findings about the mechanics of Russian propaganda operations largely track previous research by the Rand Corp. and George Washington University’s Elliott School of International Affairs.

                  “They use our technologies and values against us to sow doubt,” said Robert Orttung, a GWU professor who studies Russia. “It’s starting to undermine our democratic system.”

                  The Rand report — which dubbed Russian propaganda efforts a “firehose of falsehood” because of their speed, power and relentlessness — traced the country’s current generation of online propaganda work to the 2008 incursion into neighboring Georgia, when Russia sought to blunt international criticism of its aggression by pushing alternative explanations online.

                  The same tactics, researchers said, helped Russia shape international opinions about its 2014 annexation of Crimea and its military intervention in Syria, which started last year. Russian propaganda operations also worked to promote the “Brexit” departure of Britain from the European Union.

                  Another crucial moment, several researchers say, came in 2011 when the party of Russian President Vladimir Putin was accused of rigging elections, sparking protests that Putin blamed the Obama administration — and then-Secretary of State Clinton — for instigating.

                  Putin, a former KGB officer, announced his desire to “break the Anglo-Saxon monopoly on the global information streams” during a 2013 visit to the broadcast center for RT, formerly known as Russia Today.

                  “For them, it’s actually a real war, an ideological war, this clash between two systems,” said Sufian Zhemukhov, a former Russian journalist conducting research at GWU. “In their minds, they’re just trying to do what the West does to Russia.”

                  RT broadcasts news reports worldwide in several languages, but the most effective way it reaches U.S. audiences is online.

                  Its English-language flagship YouTube channel, launched in 2007, has 1.85 million subscribers and has had a total of 1.8 billion views, making it more widely viewed than CNN’s YouTube channel, according to a George Washington University report this month.

                  Though widely seen as a propaganda organ, the Russian site has gained credibility with some American conservatives. Trump sat for an interview with RT in September. His nominee for national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, traveled to Russia last year for a gala sponsored by the network. He later compared it to CNN.

                  The content from Russian sites has offered ready fodder for U.S.-based websites pushing far-right conservative messages. A former contractor for one, the Next News Network, said he was instructed by the site’s founder, Gary S. Franchi Jr., to weave together reports from traditional sources such as the Associated Press and the Los Angeles Times with ones from RT, Sputnik and others that provided articles that often spread explosively online.

                  “The readers are more likely to share the fake stories, and they’re more profitable,” said Dyan Bermeo, who said he helped assemble scripts and book guests for Next News Network before leaving because of a pay dispute and concerns that “fake news” was crowding out real news.

                  In just the past 90 days — a period that has included the closing weeks of the campaign, Election Day and its aftermath — the YouTube audience of Next News Network has jumped from a few hundred thousand views a day to a few million, according to analytics firm Tubular Labs. In October alone, videos from Next News Network were viewed more than 56 million times.

                  Franchi said in an e-mail statement that Next News Network seeks “a global perspective” while providing commentary aimed at U.S. audiences, especially with regard to Russian military activity. “Understanding the threat of global war is the first step to preventing it,” he said, “and we feel our coverage assisted in preventing a possible World War 3 scenario.”

                  Correction: A previously published version of this story incorrectly stated that Russian information service RT had used the “#CrookedHillary” hastag pushed by then-Republican candidate Donald Trump. In fact, while another Russian information service Sputnik did use this hashtag, RT did not.

                  Washington Post

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                  • cadaverdog
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 8955

                    Originally posted by vandeleur
                    You haven't tried dog ... what the Fuck is your problem.
                    Shakes head in disappointment
                    I intend to try it someday but I don't usually buy beer unless there's company in which case I buy in quantity. I'll try to remember to get some New Years Eve.
                    Beware of Dog

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                    • cadaverdog
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 8955

                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say
                      Plenty of propaganda was spewed forth by people supporting his opponent as well. It really doesn't bother me that Russia did this if they did do it. Russia's not my enemy. Liberals are. Today's Liberals are the biggest threat to America we have ever faced. Thank God for Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. We might be able to beat this enemy after all.
                      Beware of Dog

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58807

                        This whole "fake news" false controversy is being pushed by Camp Weathervane (who are desperate to blame ANYBODY but themselves for Hillcunt's loss) and by the corporate media - who ironically are responsible for more FAKE news being reported as "fact" than anybody.

                        RT - ironically enough - probably has more honest, unbiased news coverage than any corporate network 95% of the time. The other 5% being their coverage of things like the Russia vs Ukraine stuff, for example. And even those biases are more in the international broadcasts, as opposed to the RT America programs, such as Thom Hartmann's "Big Picture" or Abby Martin's old "Breaking The Set", who have complete editorial control over the content on their programs. You can't say that about any show on FAUX, CNN, or the Scumcast-neutered MSNBC.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49216

                          Originally posted by cadaverdog
                          Plenty of propaganda was spewed forth by people supporting his opponent as well. It really doesn't bother me that Russia did this if they did do it. Russia's not my enemy. Liberals are. Today's Liberals are the biggest threat to America we have ever faced. Thank God for Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. We might be able to beat this enemy after all.
                          Actually, white trash is a much bigger problem...

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                          • Terry
                            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 11966

                            Originally posted by FORD
                            This whole "fake news" false controversy is being pushed by Camp Weathervane (who are desperate to blame ANYBODY but themselves for Hillcunt's loss) and by the corporate media - who ironically are responsible for more FAKE news being reported as "fact" than anybody.

                            RT - ironically enough - probably has more honest, unbiased news coverage than any corporate network 95% of the time. The other 5% being their coverage of things like the Russia vs Ukraine stuff, for example. And even those biases are more in the international broadcasts, as opposed to the RT America programs, such as Thom Hartmann's "Big Picture" or Abby Martin's old "Breaking The Set", who have complete editorial control over the content on their programs. You can't say that about any show on FAUX, CNN, or the Scumcast-neutered MSNBC.
                            I think it's less who is to blame for putting out fake clickbait 'news' stories than it is the people - regardless of party or candidate preference - who blindly accept everything they read, see or hear merely because it was on social media or cable tv, without performing any due diligence on their part to actually verify what they are experiencing is true or not.

                            Journalistic standards have shrunk from what used to be several independent sources with credible documentation willing to go on record to a couple of anonymous sources trafficking in hearsay to "so and so tweeted this"/"I saw it on the internet/tv, therefore it must be true."

                            The latest being that 3 million undocumented immigrants voted in the 2016 US Presidential election. The more you actually delve into where this claim originated from and try to find any credible documentation in the way of actual statistics to back this claim up, what you come up with doesn't even come close to logically making that case in terms of evidence: it was spun up out of nothing from a blogger, and passed along like an electronic version of a chain letter until our President-Elect repeated that claim...and now his supporters, who take his word as gospel on the subject, go on to repeat it ad infinitum. The 'big lie' technique.
                            Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35207

                              Originally posted by Terry
                              Journalistic standards have shrunk from what used to be several independent sources with credible documentation willing to go on record to a couple of anonymous sources trafficking in hearsay to "so and so tweeted this"/"I saw it on the internet/tv, therefore it must be true."
                              Part of the reason for that of course is that no one pays for it any more.

                              Those of you who are fed up with the way politics are going could do worse than just pick a quality newspaper and pay for a subscription.

                              Most of the internet including this site is just people talking about news that comes from fewer and fewer content creators, as the sources dry up or become corrupted then where does that leave us?

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                              • cadaverdog
                                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 8955

                                Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                                Actually, white trash is a much bigger problem...
                                Excellent. Admitting you're part of the problem is the first step in finding a solution for it.
                                Beware of Dog

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