WHAT THE HELL IS THiS????

[Anonymous]

Poe was fucked in the head royal. Even though he saw a lot of death (from his mother to his wife) something happened to him I'd say around his early 20's. Nobody just starts writing like that. Never really thought of him as a horror writer in that Poe knew the depths of human depravity and loss. His shit was more rooted in reality because you knew 'The Masque Of Red Death' was about consumption upon which so many that Poe loved died from. And there was always more than one form of evil running though his stories. I mean, who was more of a prick? Prospero or death itself?

Oh, I absolutely agree. There's ample anecdotal evidence that Poe suffered some sort of mental shock around his early 20s, though we'll probably never know EXACTLY what happened.

Now, Poe is considered by many a horror writer first & foremost, as you'll find if you see any bound collection of his works, or any adaptation of his stories. He's always sold as the Master of Horror. But I agree that is limiting the whole body of work of the man.

Even his more supernatural stories were never straightforward stock horror. There was always the underlying whispers of absolute madness on his characters. And suer enough, the monsters were always human. Even in stories with some form of ghosts in them.

As for Lovecraft, the biggest reason I or anyone else associate him with Poe is not for his own writing, but rather the fact that Lovecraft himself kept going on & on about Poe, so much that you cannot speak of Lovecraft without bringing Poe into the discussion, though you can certainly completely dismiss Lovecraft when talking about Poe.

"Zann said that he was old, lonely and afflicted with strange fears and nervous disorders connected with his music and other things."

Sound like half of this forum.

Brilliant.

I tip my hat off to you, madam.

[Anonymous]

I'm glad you guys like these weird movies and books. But a fuckin ginger bread man that tries to attack me gets stomped and pissed on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan%27s_Labyrinth

Watch it, Watch it NOW!

There are monsters in it, but the atrocities are committed by people.

This movie will change your outlook on life forever, I guarantee it.

WATCH IT!

[Kristy]

Even his more supernatural stories were never straightforward stock horror. There was always the underlying whispers of absolute madness on his characters. And suer enough, the monsters were always human. Even in stories with some form of ghosts in them.

Critique of Poe becomes too muddled for me. I never saw 'The Raven' as a horror tale but one of personal torment manifested in er, a bird. In a way, it's one twisted love story because no one could really write about the depths of loss as a living hell like Poe. Every word of 'The Raven' is sheer fucking genius. King could never pull anything like that out of his rich, bloated, New England ass.


(always loved that - even Homer loses it)

[DONNIEP]

Nope. I can't. Monsters suck. I like stories with monsters that were humans when they were born and then became true monsters when they learned the phrase Death To America! Those are the monsters that keep me up at nite. And they're the ones the liberals make excuses for while they use their newly released cash to buy tanks and jets. Cause they're so honorable.

I'm thinking Von is right - nuke the entire region.

[Anonymous]

Critique of Poe becomes too muddled for me. I never saw 'The Raven' as a horror tale but one of personal torment manifested in er, a bird. In a way, it's one twisted love story because no one could really write about the depths of loss as a living hell like Poe. Every word of 'The Raven' is sheer fucking genius. King could never pull anything like that out of his rich, bloated, New England ass.

The Raven is a masterpiece, if you'll pardon the obvious cliché.

I always loved Annabel Lee, as well.

It was many and many a year ago,
In a kingdom by the sea,
That a maiden there lived whom you may know
By the name of ANNABEL LEE;--
And this maiden she lived with no other thought
Than to love and be loved by me.
She was a child and I was a child,
In this kingdom by the sea,
But we loved with a love that was more than love--
I and my Annabel Lee--
With a love that the winged seraphs of heaven
Coveted her and me.

And this was the reason that, long ago,
In this kingdom by the sea,
A wind blew out of a cloud by night
Chilling my Annabel Lee;
So that her high-born kinsman came
And bore her away from me,
To shut her up in a sepulchre
In this kingdom by the sea.

The angels, not half so happy in Heaven,
Went envying her and me:--
Yes! that was the reason (as all men know,
In this kingdom by the sea)
That the wind came out of a cloud, chilling
And killing my Annabel Lee.

But our love it was stronger by far than the love
Of those who were older than we--
Of many far wiser than we-
And neither the angels in Heaven above,
Nor the demons down under the sea,
Can ever dissever my soul from the soul
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee:--

For the moon never beams without bringing me dreams
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And the stars never rise but I see the bright eyes
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side
Of my darling, my darling, my life and my bride,
In her sepulchre there by the sea--
In her tomb by the side of the sea.

[Anonymous]

Nope. I can't.

Shut up & check Skype.

Donnie, you have to watch this. Trust me, goddammit!

[DONNIEP]

Critique of Poe becomes too muddled for me. I never saw 'The Raven' as a horror tale but one of personal torment manifested in er, a bird. In a way, it's one twisted love story because no one could really write about the depths of loss as a living hell like Poe. Every word of 'The Raven' is sheer fucking genius. King could never pull anything like that out of his rich, bloated, New England ass.


(always loved that - even Homer loses it)

If he had a 1911 he could have shot the shit out of that stupid bird.

[DONNIEP]

Shut up & check Skype.

Donnie, you have to watch this. Trust me, goddammit!

I tried. But I only speak Southern. And some German. I know, big shocker there.

[Kristy]

Yeah, the poem he wrote about the loss of his wife.

What I really admire about Poe is that you cannot relate his work historically to any antecedent conditions as if his words detach themselves almost completely from time and space and like I said, sprang up out of nowhere from a mysterious soil which had never been borne before. The man was inexplicable. Nothing like his work had ever been done before: 'The Gold Bug', Purloined Letter' or 'Murders in The Rue Morgue' and that story fucked with my head for days and days because of Poe's marvelous skill it took to write something of that caliber. The originality (you hearing me, Jimmy Page?), the fucking ingenuity, the whole motherfucking similitudes of that story and its characters are beyond all praise.

[Anonymous]

I tried. But I only speak Southern. And some German. I know, big shocker there.

Oh, right... it's in Spanish.

Well, go out & buy it, then. Look, I'm so absolutely certain that you'll love it that I'm willing to paypal you the money you spend if you tell me it sucks.

It's absolutely impossible to not be changed in some way by that movie.

Again, I hate it when people hype things, because nothing ever lives up to the hype, but this one DOES. You'll never know what's coming. Trust me on this.

[Anonymous]

Look, this is Gui describing his own villain:

"One of the dangers of fascism and one of the dangers of true evil in our world—which I believe exists—is that it's very attractive. That it is incredibly attractive in a way that most people negate. Most people make their villains ugly and nasty and I think, no, fascism has a whole concept of design, and a whole concept of uniforms and set design that made it attractive to the weak-willed."

[Anonymous]

Yeah, the poem he wrote about the loss of his wife.

What I really admire about Poe is that you cannot relate his work historically to any antecedent conditions as if his words detach themselves almost completely from time and space and like I said, sprang up out of nowhere from a mysterious soil which had never been borne before. The man was inexplicable. Nothing like his work had ever been done before: 'The Gold Bug', Purloined Letter' or 'Murders in The Rue Morgue' and that story fucked with my head for days and days because of Poe's marvelous skill it took to write something of that caliber. The originality (you hearing me, Jimmy Page?), the fucking ingenuity, the whole motherfucking similitudes of that story and its characters are beyond all praise.

Yeah, the orang-outang. That was brilliant! I think you mean simianitudes, I'm sorry that was horrible.

Poe's character in that story was was indeed amazing. I never seen such charming smugness. Everything was so obvious to him & when praised, he casually dismissed it matter-of-factly. You could *read* the self-satisfied smile in his dialogue.

[DONNIEP]

Oh, right... it's in Spanish

Yep - if it was in German I could understand most of it. But the only phrases I know in Spanish are:

Muy Bonita, senorita

And

Dos cervezas, por favor.

Both phrases served me well from TJ all the way to Rosa Rita.

[Kristy]

No, similitude god damn it.

[Anonymous]

Kristy, you're gonna love this - when someone mentions Iron Maiden in conversation, you can say that they're illiterate monkeys that *pretend* to be smart by borrowing song titles from clever stories, yet it's painfully obvious that they never read the source material, probably because they're too dumb to understand it.

There, I just gave you a deadly bullet to any Metal fan. You're welcome.