Let’s Call Establishment Dems What They Are: REPUBLICANS

[cadaverdog]

You DO realize that your mortal Congress has not declared war since December 1941, right?

None of these pathetic, illegal - not a goddamned thing to do with protecting the US - military actions from Korea on to the PNAC wars were ever "approved" or declared, according to the terms of your mortal Constitution ( Article I, Section 8, Clause 11)

[The Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

So without a declaration, what would a President veto? Rather, these illegal BCE/CIA/MIC/PNAC wars have all been started by the Executive branches, and the only time it goes to Congress is when they need money for it. Which naturally is always there, despite the teabaggers claims that there's no money for anything else.

Not sure who you're arguing with here. I said the POTUS had the last say on whether we go to war and it looks like you're agreeing. As far as Korea goes the UN more or less declared war on North Korea and we went along with it. Not sure what the constitution says about that. According to you we've gone to war without the approval of congress but never without the approval of the POTUS himself. On top of that the POTUS is commander and cheif of the military. Even if congress overrode a presidential veto on a war declaration could they actually force the president to take action?

[Seshmeister]

No one declares war any more.

The only reason to in the US is that it gives a bunch of extra powers to the president like grabbing private resources and so on. With the insane levels of military spending these days that's never going to be neccessary.

The reason for a vote for military action, especially since Iraq is to share the blame if it goes shitty again. That's what happened in the UK over Syria, constitutionally no vote was required but they thought they better get one. When it was voted down(just), a bunch of people in the US Congress said 'hey how come we don't get a vote on this when they do?' and that ended up killing both countries direct involvement in what would have been another stupid war.

[Kristy]

slave SESH did you know Eleanor Friedberger is Jewish like your homoerotic bf Roth?



Bet you did not know that.

[Satan]

With a name like Friedberger, it's an easy assumption, but actually not true.......

Friedberger was born in Oak Park, Illinois, and grew up singing with her grandmother Olga Sarantos and family in a Greek Orthodox church

[Kristy]

Naw, she's a Jew.