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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35750

    #16
    Originally posted by Terry
    I suspect Sanders and his message may have resonated more effectively in certain areas of the country that were needed to win the Electoral College than Hillary's campaign did. I can't tell you for sure that this would have offset her strength with other segments of the vote or not, even though I would have preferred Sanders to have headed the Democratic ticket this year.
    Would he have got anything done at all with a Republican house though?

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 59558

      #17
      Originally posted by Seshmeister
      Would he have got anything done at all with a Republican house though?
      He might have got some backing from the libertarian type Republicans (what used to be called the "Ron Paul wing" of the party) on anti-war & civil liberties issues
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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35750

        #18
        Hmm...

        Not much else and then after 4 years there would have been a backlash because nothing had changed and you would have ended up with Trump or a Trumpish type.

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 59558

          #19
          Well, Hillary would have been much like her Husband. Meaning she might have passed a lot of things with a Republican congress, but none of it would have been any good for the American people.

          I'd rather see 5 good things make it through Congress than 50 horrible things.

          (just random numbers, I don't have a list of all the stupid shit passed in the 90s in front of me.)
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          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • Terry
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jan 2004
            • 12123

            #20
            Originally posted by Seshmeister
            Would he have got anything done at all with a Republican house though?
            Perhaps not.

            To my way of thinking, though, another 4 years of an obstructive Congress would be preferable to what is going to come next with Pence and Ryan easily passing their agenda. As for the Supreme Court, I'm also looking beyond the open seat and at the advanced age of at least 3 of the current Justices. I mean, we're talking about Trump potentially picking up to 4 of the next Supreme Court Justices, here. Now, Trump has explicitly said he is looking for Pro-Life Justices who will overturn Roe vs. Wade and leave abortion rights up to the various state legislatures. Sadly, the Democratic Party has lost the mid-terms in 2010 and 2014 on the Congressional level along with a majority of the state governorships and state level legislatures over the last 8 years. So you're basically looking at the rolling back of rights nationally and in a majority of states on that issue. Now, there is no counterbalance to offset yet more strict voting requirements and the repealing of more already established voter rights laws. Less prohibitive voting requirements and voter rights laws (by coincidence) allowed easier access to the ballot box for those segments of the electorate that tend to vote democratic more often than republican.

            Honestly, more gridlock under Bernie would be preferable to moving in these directions. Also, a Sanders victory would have mobilized progressives in a way a Clinton victory never could have: it would have been, "hey, we CAN do this!" As it stands now, Progressives AND corporatized establishment democrats are reeling back on their heels, counting on some sort of dues ex machina / snowball chance in hell scenario (Trump and Pence getting impeached early on in their administration, the Electoral College - and this ain't gonna happen - denying Trump the Electoral votes) to somehow prevent the inevitable of what is coming to happen. Yeah, the Republicans tend to overreach when they have simultaneous control of the Executive and Legislative Branches and eventually come crashing back down to Earth. The last time that happened, though, we got the Iraq War and a botched 'War On Terror' for our troubles. President-Elect Trump is the textbook definition of narcissistic hubris: who knows what form overreach will take THIS time around? Particularly with someone who doesn't listen to outside criticism whenever possible (and is notoriously thin-skinned in responding/reacting to the criticisms that actually manage to reach his ears), isn't big on reflection or intellectualism, has surrounded himself with former Nixon & GW Bush hatchet men and has an avowed white nationalist as his chief strategist in the White House?

            The idea of some sort of post-election Trump personality reset in response to the dimensions of the office is bunk. People in 1968 blathered on about a 'new' Nixon. What we ended up getting was the same old Nixon he always was, with no constraints. Didn't work out for a few million people in Southeast Asia, as I recall. Hopefully the consequences of a Trump presidency won't prove to be as catastrophic.
            Scramby eggs and bacon.

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            • Terry
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jan 2004
              • 12123

              #21
              The upside to Trump getting elected, and what was illustrated by his supporters at his rallies by way of their racist comments (the tone of which was alternately tacitly and openly expressed by their candidate and gave them license to double down), is that we are no longer under any illusions about the extent of the progress that has been made and the amount of work that still remains in the areas of justice, equality and fairness...specifically in terms of negative convictions and attitudes held by some toward those who aren't the same race, gender or religion as they are.
              Scramby eggs and bacon.

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              • twonabomber
                formerly F A T
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Jan 2004
                • 11294

                #22
                Reading speculation that HRC wants to be mayor of NYC. Won't these people just go away?
                Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35750

                  #23
                  Well according to Trump now they are 'Good people'.

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                  • Terry
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 12123

                    #24
                    Originally posted by twonabomber
                    Reading speculation that HRC wants to be mayor of NYC. Won't these people just go away?
                    Agreed, although she could probably win THAT race...maybe...
                    Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35750

                      #25
                      Who would she be up against - Ronald McFuckingDonald?

                      How she can have any credibility at all at this point is beyond me...

                      She's at retirement age anyway just fucking retire already.

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                      • Terry
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 12123

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        Well according to Trump now they are 'Good people'.
                        'Good people' who 'did bad things' and Trump hasn't ruled out further investigations.

                        My understanding is that the FBI are still looking into The Clinton Foundation.

                        Honestly, because the Clintons aren't by nature forthcoming about releasing information regarding the foundation that bears their name, who knows what will turn up there in terms of prosecutable conduct and transactions. It's difficult to say, because the first instinct of the Clintons isn't to be forthcoming. If this a function of a natural defense reflex due to 25 years of being investigated (the sum and substance of which has been one verified lie about a series of blow jobs and one admission of an affair with Gennifer Flowers - well handled, various GOP investigative committees, well done) or if there are a lot of back-scratching transactions as yet to be revealed (which may not even be illegal - because sadly so much IS legal now), who can say?

                        If the GOP are going to continue to investigate The Clintons regarding conflict-of-interest appearances between The Clinton Foundation and Hillary's tenure in the US Senate and as Sec State, then doubtless they will be opposed to Trump's plan to let his children run his businesses while simultaneously giving them top secret security clearances and letting them be national security advisors for President-Elect Trump.
                        Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                        • Terry
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 12123

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Seshmeister
                          Who would she be up against - Ronald McFuckingDonald?

                          How she can have any credibility at all at this point is beyond me...

                          She's at retirement age anyway just fucking retire already.

                          She's got more credibility with more voters in the country than Trump has, if you want to interpret her lead in the popular vote as such.

                          Plus, she won New York handily.

                          I don't disagree that she SHOULD retire. The Democratic Party needs to rebuild itself in a non-Clinton image and support progressive candidates who will fight for legislation true to the core Democratic principles the party has, in practice, moved away from over the last 25 years. Enough 'triangulated' watered-down, corporatized pablum. The Democratic Party as a whole needs to stand for something other than 'slightly less bad than Republicans' if they want to energize and mobilize a winning constituency.
                          Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                          • Seshmeister
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 35750

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Terry
                            She's got more credibility with more voters in the country than Trump has, if you want to interpret her lead in the popular vote as such.
                            That's a bar so low no limbo dancer could get under it...

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                            • cadaverdog
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 8955

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Seshmeister
                              Hmm...

                              Not much else and then after 4 years there would have been a backlash because nothing had changed and you would have ended up with Trump or a Trumpish type.
                              Who other than Trump is a "Trumpish Type"? Vince McMahon?
                              Beware of Dog

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                              • FORD
                                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                                • Jan 2004
                                • 59558

                                #30
                                The Kartrashians or any other idiot Reality TV star who never actually worked in ANY job for a living (much less had political experience)
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                                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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