I'm also very skeptical when very rich, connected people like Al Gore and David de Rothschild use panic to hard sell something. They want to tax carbon the most common element on planet earth (you know this if you took a elementary chemistry class in school) and the scientific studies are all coming out of the same geopolitical area where such people have monetary influence over the institutions that do the studies. For some reason people think scientists are above being bribed or being strong armed or even honey trapped. If you look back at Al Gore's the world is going to end speeches a few years ago nothing he said would happen has happened. They had to change the slogan from global warming to climate change. The climate and the earth are in a constant cycle of change but it's a slow cycle and is there anything we are going to do about it? I think we have become arrogant to the point we think we can play God and we have more control over the planet than we actually do. I also live 6300 feet above sea level. The sea rising isn't exactly a problem for me. The day I see Donald Trump's ocean front estate in Palm Beach with water and turtles in the living room is the day I will be convinced all this ocean level rising concern is legitimate.
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Volcanoes are natural. Oil refineries are not. I can't do a damn thing to stop Mt. St Helens (or any of the other sleeping giants in the Cascade range) but I damn well can stop pipelines from going through Cascadia, or trains with coal pollution from using this area as a path to China.
Speaking of China, they may have created a shitload of pollution in a relatively short time period, but at least they have seen the reality of it, and are now building green infrastructure where ever they can. Ironically, it's with all the money they now have because the BCE and corporatist fake "democrats" have outsourced all the jobs over there.
All of that money could have been building green infrastructure here. Along with the money wasted on PNAC wars, which have mostly been about controlling what very little remains of the oil to run the 19th century engnes which should have been extinct by now.
I think a future eyesore is when all these windmills we have put up become too expensive to justify maintaining. We are going to have dead windmills all over the landscape. Every time I drive by a big wind farm I shake my head.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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This discussion reminds me of a lesson a 90 year old guy offered me and a good friend back in the 80's...
My buddy owned 35 acres of land up in the middle of no where, about 15 miles from Cripple Creek, CO in the Rockies. I had spent the summer helping him clear a road and camp site he parked an old, used camping trailer on to vacation up there. There was a beautiful ridge line with a bunch of pines and aspen trees where we built the camp.
Several of the pines had mistletoe growing on them... my buddy read up on it and was worried the mistletoe would spread and kill off all those nice pine trees. One weekend we set out to cutting down the worst infected trees... the old guy drives up outta the blue and asks why we're cutting down the trees. My pal explains about his worries with the mistletoe.
The old guy laughs and explains that those type of pinyon pines live about 100-150 years max... and yes mistletoe may cause the tree to die prematurely by a couple of years... but most die from fire or some dumbass cutting them down in their prime for no good reason. We stopped cutting them down and shifted to beer drinking instead... The remaining trees with a few splotches of mistletoe still live majestically up there today 30 years later!!"If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”Comment
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This discussion reminds me of a lesson a 90 year old guy offered me and a good friend back in the 80's...
My buddy owned 35 acres of land up in the middle of no where, about 15 miles from Cripple Creek, CO in the Rockies. I had spent the summer helping him clear a road and camp site he parked an old, used camping trailer on to vacation up there. There was a beautiful ridge line with a bunch of pines and aspen trees where we built the camp.
Several of the pines had mistletoe growing on them... my buddy read up on it and was worried the mistletoe would spread and kill off all those nice pine trees. One weekend we set out to cutting down the worst infected trees... the old guy drives up outta the blue and asks why we're cutting down the trees. My pal explains about his worries with the mistletoe.
The old guy laughs and explains that those type of pinyon pines live about 100-150 years max... and yes mistletoe may cause the tree to die prematurely by a couple of years... but most die from fire or some dumbass cutting them down in their prime for no good reason. We stopped cutting them down and shifted to beer drinking instead... The remaining trees with a few splotches of mistletoe still live majestically up there today 30 years later!!No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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I just don't give much weight to worries about Florida sinking under the Gulf/Atlantic... Our landmasses are not static. The crust of the Earth is in constant movement... although it's just inches/millimeters per decade. There are parts of the central continental US that were at one time a sea floor.
I'm mostly convinced a lot of this effort around global climate change are fueled more by our imaginations and really poor sense of the time coupled with pure arrogance that we are smart enough and/or powerful enough to effect planetary conditions. Not to say we know nothing... just saying we don't know enough about all the variables to truly get any of this correct...
Nobody can say if we have already went beyond the point of return in terms of being able to reverse the effects.
I can't determine the accuracy of global climate change one way or the other. I don't think it's a hoax in that there's some mass cabal of scientists claiming the change is happening when they know for a fact it isn't: doubtless plenty of scientists believe it is happening.
Maybe life on the planet will eventually become uninhabitable for our species as the result of our burning various fuels and creating chemicals that are toxic to humankind. Perhaps that path was followed the moment we started cutting down more trees than were replanted...and when was that? Pre-Industrial Revolution?
If the solution to arresting the change somehow involves going back to steam engines and going backward in technological terms to save our species, I doubt people would be willing to give up things like air conditioning, gas/oil powered modes of transportation and the like. You can't even get people to shut off their cell phones in movie theaters as a courtesy to others, so the idea of a mass ban on modern amenities...we're fucked if that is the solution.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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Then you read about the area around Chernobyl. Nature has come back faster than anyone expected and the scientists are baffled. Also I have so many relatives that have worked in government labs and universities and they all tell me how political everything is. Everything is affected by funding and of course this skews what the public is told about things. Sometimes the actual science is a well kept secret they don't want the public to know.Comment
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You never did finish high school, did you, asshole?
But not the air which is abundant on the "planet." You fucking idiot.
Wrong but please do on embarrassing yourself.
You are not but do go on.
By "bias" you mean "liberal results" right, you fucking F A T moron?
40 years? You sure its not in the name of oil companies waiting for Greenland to melt so they can rape the environment there? Jesus fucking Christ, you are one serous fucking idiot.Last edited by Kristy; 05-14-2018, 11:09 PM.Comment
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I just don't give much weight to worries about Florida sinking under the Gulf/Atlantic... Our landmasses are not static. The crust of the Earth is in constant movement... although it's just inches/millimeters per decade. There are parts of the central continental US that were at one time a sea floor.
I'm mostly convinced a lot of this effort around global climate change are fueled more by our imaginations and really poor sense of the time coupled with pure arrogance that we are smart enough and/or powerful enough to effect planetary conditions. Not to say we know nothing... just saying we don't know enough about all the variables to truly get any of this correct...
The real arrogance in your opinion is that you think that because you don't know any more than can be gleaned from reading a few articles on the internet and a half remembered TV show you saw a few years back that somehow your opinion is as valid as someone who was much smarter than you at school and then has worked their whole life in the field. Him/she and another 50 000 scientists around the world.
I'm sorry but this nonsense particularly from Americans of your generation is what has got the planet in the state it's in. All opinions are not equal. You and I are not qualified to do eye surgery, design a microchip or predict the effects of 7 billion humans shitting up the environment. Your 'opinion' isn't going to change so we just need to hope that young Americans and the rest of the world can limit the damage caused by the Selfish Generation.Comment
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What are your qualifications?
The real arrogance in your opinion is that you think that because you don't know any more than can be gleaned from reading a few articles on the internet and a half remembered TV show you saw a few years back that somehow your opinion is as valid as someone who was much smarter than you at school and then has worked their whole life in the field. Him/she and another 50 000 scientists around the world.
I'm sorry but this nonsense particularly from Americans of your generation is what has got the planet in the state it's in. All opinions are not equal. You and I are not qualified to do eye surgery, design a microchip or predict the effects of 7 billion humans shitting up the environment. Your 'opinion' isn't going to change so we just need to hope that young Americans and the rest of the world can limit the damage caused by the Selfish Generation.
You're wrong on one point... I'm not qualified to design a whole microchip, but I am/was qualified to perform basic initialization of RISC based processors in beta form to perform functional verification tests in UNIX kernel processing methodologies. I specialized in internal processor cache management development for IBM's RISC/Power processors in the 90's. Moved on from there to symmetrical multi-processor systems development after that... To tie that crap directly to this pissing match... that technology development led to the advanced climate modeling and research conducted on the "super" computers of the time, which provided climatologists a platform to study all this bullshit.
What the fuck does "Americans of your generation" mean..?
Neither your generation nor mine created this shit... Our parents, nope, grandparents maybe. But the path to industrialization built on fossil fuel usage , specifically oil, started back in the 19th century... coal and wood a couple centuries before that! I suspect you ain't qualified to teach history either, junior...Last edited by ZahZoo; 05-15-2018, 10:31 AM."If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”Comment
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I have a general understanding of the basic science behind the global warming theory...you know, a theory that I read about. In other words, I know (like most people) the conventional wisdom of climate change as it has been told to me. I don't know enough about the science from an educational standpoint via my own personal study or experiments to say one way or the other if it is accurate, or the probability that planetary conditions will render life on Earth uninhabitable for humans in my lifetime...or 100 years, or whatever. Or if this climate change is something even reversible assuming we all tomorrow simultaneously stopped engaging in the activities presumed to be changing the climate.
Nobody can say if we have already went beyond the point of return in terms of being able to reverse the effects.
I can't determine the accuracy of global climate change one way or the other. I don't think it's a hoax in that there's some mass cabal of scientists claiming the change is happening when they know for a fact it isn't: doubtless plenty of scientists believe it is happening.
Maybe life on the planet will eventually become uninhabitable for our species as the result of our burning various fuels and creating chemicals that are toxic to humankind. Perhaps that path was followed the moment we started cutting down more trees than were replanted...and when was that? Pre-Industrial Revolution?
If the solution to arresting the change somehow involves going back to steam engines and going backward in technological terms to save our species, I doubt people would be willing to give up things like air conditioning, gas/oil powered modes of transportation and the like. You can't even get people to shut off their cell phones in movie theaters as a courtesy to others, so the idea of a mass ban on modern amenities...we're fucked if that is the solution.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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My qualifications: I'm smart enough to connect to the net, find this site, register here, find a topic and share my opinion... I'm no climate scientist and did not claim to be. Geez... ya grumpy assed Scotsman!!
You're wrong on one point... I'm not qualified to design a whole microchip, but I am/was qualified to perform basic initialization of RISC based processors in beta form to perform functional verification tests in UNIX kernel processing methodologies. I specialized in internal processor cache management development for IBM's RISC/Power processors in the 90's. Moved on from there to symmetrical multi-processor systems development after that... To tie that crap directly to this pissing match... that technology development led to the advanced climate modeling and research conducted on the "super" computers of the time, which provided climatologists a platform to study all this bullshit.
What the fuck does "Americans of your generation" mean..?
Neither your generation nor mine created this shit... Our parents, nope, grandparents maybe. But the path to industrialization built on fossil fuel usage , specifically oil, started back in the 19th century... coal and wood a couple centuries before that! I suspect you ain't qualified to teach history either, junior...No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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