Moron Musicians For Kerry

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Rikk
That's not a response. I agree 100% with Ford on this. You don't start wars based on revenge tactics if there is no real reason you're attacking said country...meaning, if said country was not responsible for the bloodshed you want to avenge, there is no justification. Afghanistan did not produce a cleaning out of Al Quaida (mainly because that's not why they were really there) and Iraq had NOTHING to do with Al Quaida...it was about Haliburton and oil control. 9-11 has bought this administration so many licenses to get away with disgusting shit.

Shut the fuck up, dumbass!

Does that qualify as a response ??

[Sgt Schultz]

Originally posted by Rikk
Don't bother... The fact that you think Saddam didn't work for the American government makes you a joke in my eyes. But even worse, anyone that calls someone who questions their elected government an America-hater is completely ignorant in my eyes. I don't really need your response because you have no credibility to me.

Furthermore, I didn't respond to many of the specifics in your post because they were pure and utter nonsense. Quoting Cheney and listing questionable sources that Saddam was making nuclear weapons doesn't change the fact that you're ignoring the entire state of mind in which a war should be entered. You are clearly not an intellectual, and I'm tired of wasting my time with someone determined to not question any government action and can only yell in the face of the intelligent: "Haliburton!! "

Dude, one more thing...to accuse someone of being basically a blind pacifist because they argue that a country should be compelled to go to war really shows your attitude. Maybe you should serve in one and realize how unglorious an experience it really is and then realize that wars should only be fought to save one's country...not to exploit others. You have not listed any evidence for extreme duress under which a decision had to be made. And I've asked you twice now. Don't bother for a third attempt. Your arguing style sucks... You're just another stubborn redneck.

I'll be laughing at you this November when your corrupt buddy Cheney stops getting his giant stock option payouts because Haliburton is kicked out of Iraq. (And no, Haliburton is not the answer to everything...but its mere corrupt existence in the situation is pretty symbolic...dontcha think?)

After re-reading this tripe I've changed my mind. I'm not going to waste my time with you, at lest in this thread, because there's nothing I can say that will make you see the utter silliness of what you are arguing.

This thread WAS about Bruce and this moronic tour. Your retort was to throw the proverbial kitchen sink of liberal wackiness into the mix all in 2 posts, which I'd need way too much space to reply to without a reader losing interest.

So, if you want to bring up a SINGLE point in another thread fine but for me to reply to your tome of Bush hating here would just be pearls before swine.

....oh yeah, "Haliburton!"

[John Ashcroft]

Heh heh heh.. Schultzie, I pretty much came to the same conclusion.

This guy's a freekin' idiot.

And to imagine he's preaching to us about "making up your mind before doing research"... What did he call it? Oh yeah, a "pseudo-scientific argument". And yet if you look at the premise he took from the get go, he's simply describing exactly what he's engaged in right here before your naked streaming eyes!

Just another commie-liberal hypocrite as far as I'm concerned.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
No, I will respond tomorrow when I have more time, like I stated before. In the process I'll try not to insult you like you have done to me. By the way I did not say you were an America-hater becasue you question your government. Besides, aren't you in Canada?

I'm an American citizen.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Heh heh heh.. Schultzie, I pretty much came to the same conclusion.

This guy's a freekin' idiot.

And to imagine he's preaching to us about "making up your mind before doing research"... What did he call it? Oh yeah, a "pseudo-scientific argument". And yet if you look at the premise he took from the get go, he's simply describing exactly what he's engaged in right here before your naked streaming eyes!

Just another commie-liberal hypocrite as far as I'm concerned.

Yup...you're a moron. You don't even know what a pseudo-scientific argument is. You kinda made an ass of yourself with that attempt at criticism. Mind you, I see you posting drivel in this room all the time.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Shut the fuck up, dumbass!

Does that qualify as a response ??

You know, Elvis, I've noticed you simply like to jump on people in MAIN all the time. And I don't know why. You started giving me shit last week for no reason, and I had a lot of people telling me to ignore it. So, I will.

"Shut the fuck up, dumbass!" Good, smart response. I'm surprised you're a mod. I guess some people were right...and I'm not talking about your friend, thefive.

Do you ever post anything positive, and is it true you're pro-Sammy?

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
After re-reading this tripe I've changed my mind. I'm not going to waste my time with you, at lest in this thread, because there's nothing I can say that will make you see the utter silliness of what you are arguing.

This thread WAS about Bruce and this moronic tour. Your retort was to throw the proverbial kitchen sink of liberal wackiness into the mix all in 2 posts, which I'd need way too much space to reply to without a reader losing interest.

So, if you want to bring up a SINGLE point in another thread fine but for me to reply to your tome of Bush hating here would just be pearls before swine.

....oh yeah, "Haliburton!"

You know the only thing I'll say here? Your post was quite offensive to my opinion, and I suppose my post was offensive to yours. My attitude was not fully in-the-right...I was blatantly arrogant and offensive myself. So, I think we both pissed each other off when this is supposed to be clean debate.

Of course, what gets me is that you accuse liberals of having this giant mix of wackiness or whatever you call it. Any criticism of the government can be explained away as liberal or commie bullshit, etc. But the truth is, just as you think these are all paranoid conspiracy nuts, you're kinda accusing the liberals of also being one big pacifist conspiracy machine. Furthermore, it seems kinda obvious to me that one should be allowed to criticize one's own government. That is actually one of the main elements of democracy. This whole "love it or leave it" crap is bullshit...it's anti-American at its core. To constantly scrutinize your government's own actions is one of the most important American rights. I mean, if we could spend a year studying Bill Clinton's sex life, I think it's only fair that we can also question why exactly we are in Iraq and whether the government is really so concerned with making us safe. After all, it's the people's tax dollars. Can you tell me what's wrong with asking questions and why it's worth attacking people by calling them liberal nuts when they ask said questions?

[Rikk]

no small tragedy what this man saw...

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Did he still have his tail between his legs? Hmmm?

Dude was sent home near the end of the genocide sick from exhaustion, depression and frustration. He told me he still has nightmares about it every night of his life. He also told me one image that never leaves his mind is driving down the highway with 60000 bodies on either side...the whole experience almost killed him. And he developed quite a kinship with the other Canadian U.N. troops that were stationed there, trying to save lives and publicize what was going on. Every day he saw slaughtered towns and every day the American government refused to vote YES in U.N. recognition (mind you, the Americans were one of many countries that dropped the ball on that one...it's even rumored that Albright told her staff there was "no profit" in Rwanda).

[Big Train]

Rikk, Rikk, Rikk....there are some hurts feelings here, easy big fella...

Let me ask you liberals a basic question, which may help illuminate our differences. If you were the president of the US (actual US citizens only, currently residing in the US), starting at 10 AM on September 11th, what would you have done differently.

Hold on , this is gonna get fun...

BTW, Elvis is my man, don't knock him...

[BigBadBrian]

Re: no small tragedy what this man saw...

Originally posted by Rikk
Dude was sent home near the end of the genocide sick from exhaustion, depression and frustration. He told me he still has nightmares about it every night of his life. He also told me one image that never leaves his mind is driving down the highway with 60000 bodies on either side...the whole experience almost killed him. And he developed quite a kinship with the other Canadian U.N. troops that were stationed there, trying to save lives and publicize what was going on. Every day he saw slaughtered towns and every day the American government refused to vote YES in U.N. recognition (mind you, the Americans were one of many countries that dropped the ball on that one...it's even rumored that Albright told her staff there was "no profit" in Rwanda).

So HE DID have his tail between his legs. Thought so.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Rikk
You know, Elvis, I've noticed you simply like to jump on people in MAIN all the time.

No, not all the time. Only when I feel like it...

And I don't know why.

Do you need to know why ??

You started giving me shit last week for no reason, and I had a lot of people telling me to ignore it. So, I will.

Ignoring it means to do what I said in my last response, namely, "shut the fuck up, dumbass!"

Now you've gained my interest. What did I 'give you shit' about last week ??

"Shut the fuck up, dumbass!" Good, smart response.

I like to consider it the condensed version of what Sgt Schultz was trying to get through your thick skull...

Look how you replied to him...

I'm surprised you're a mod. I guess some people were right...and I'm not talking about your friend, thefive.

I see your angle.. my skin is alot thicker than that. Try again Mr. Sensitive Liberal...

Do you ever post anything positive, and is it true you're pro-Sammy?

Yes I do, and no, I am not...

BTW...

Do you consider what you have been posting in this thread to be "positive" ???

[Sgt Schultz]

Originally posted by Rikk
You know the only thing I'll say here? Your post was quite offensive to my opinion, and I suppose my post was offensive to yours. My attitude was not fully in-the-right...I was blatantly arrogant and offensive myself. So, I think we both pissed each other off when this is supposed to be clean debate.

Of course, what gets me is that you accuse liberals of having this giant mix of wackiness or whatever you call it. Any criticism of the government can be explained away as liberal or commie bullshit, etc. But the truth is, just as you think these are all paranoid conspiracy nuts, you're kinda accusing the liberals of also being one big pacifist conspiracy machine. Furthermore, it seems kinda obvious to me that one should be allowed to criticize one's own government. That is actually one of the main elements of democracy. This whole "love it or leave it" crap is bullshit...it's anti-American at its core. To constantly scrutinize your government's own actions is one of the most important American rights. I mean, if we could spend a year studying Bill Clinton's sex life, I think it's only fair that we can also question why exactly we are in Iraq and whether the government is really so concerned with making us safe. After all, it's the people's tax dollars. Can you tell me what's wrong with asking questions and why it's worth attacking people by calling them liberal nuts when they ask said questions?

I'm not criticizing your right to criticize the government / current administration at all. I've never said "love it or leave it" I am simply critical of what you base your criticisms upon - very shaky and/or non-existant gorund. My perjoratives ("liberal nuts") stems from all of the truly wacky conspiracy theories. If you want to debate / criticize things with me or others then I think you have to base it on some basic facts we can agree upon, real news stories from credible sources etc. It's almost impossible to even have a conversation if much of what you base your arguments on are Internet conspiracy theories. Basing everything on the "Bush Criminal Empire" and "Haliburton" and dark, clandestine under the table deals WITH Bin Laden and the Sauds etc etc etc......makes it so we are all here just yelling into a vaccum.

It's fine ang good to question why we are in Iraq - but to base a critique of it on "we just want the oil" or "Haliburton" or some other reason isn't getting us anywhere. In my opinion.

[ELVIS]

Mine either...

[Rikk]

Originally posted by ELVIS

Do I consider what I'm posting in this thread to be "positive"? Well, dumbass, it's kinda hard to have a lot of positive posts when one can simply look at the name of the thread, huh genius?

You make me laugh.:D

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
I'm not criticizing your right to criticize the government / current administration at all. I've never said "love it or leave it" I am simply critical of what you base your criticisms upon - very shaky and/or non-existant gorund. My perjoratives ("liberal nuts") stems from all of the truly wacky conspiracy theories. If you want to debate / criticize things with me or others then I think you have to base it on some basic facts we can agree upon, real news stories from credible sources etc. It's almost impossible to even have a conversation if much of what you base your arguments on are Internet conspiracy theories. Basing everything on the "Bush Criminal Empire" and "Haliburton" and dark, clandestine under the table deals WITH Bin Laden and the Sauds etc etc etc......makes it so we are all here just yelling into a vaccum.

It's fine ang good to question why we are in Iraq - but to base a critique of it on "we just want the oil" or "Haliburton" or some other reason isn't getting us anywhere. In my opinion.

I respect one thing you're saying...I'm also sick and fucking tired of conspiracy nuts. Everywhere you look there's a crazy conspiracy theory. But do you know what? Look at this country. This isn't the complete "leftist nuts" starting arguments up. This is half the damn country sick and tired of being lied to by CNN and FOX NEWS. This is a President who is not backing up his claims. This is a war that has NOT been justified. It is not the job of the people to de-justify the war. It is the job of the President who declared it necessary to back such a claim up. If he cannot, his actions are then called into question. It's called democracy.

You know, not everything is a "conspiracy nut" theory. Do you deny that Saddam was working for the U.S.?

As for my negative attitude, I don't want to fight. The conversation SHOULD BE kept respectful. But it's kinda hard to come in with a smiling face considering the name of this thread.