Cheeto's Favorite Morning Cartoon Show Polls It's Viewers about Medicare for All

[Seshmeister]

I agree I think employers paying healthcare insurance for their employees is a horrible idea. It makes you feel like their healthcare is coming out your pocket, it gives you even more power over them as the employer especially if they have a family member with a chronic condition and allows the employer to impose fucked up morality they have on family planning.

And its more expensive. In the UK the employer pays a flat 12% of their salary as a tax, that's the end of it.

It sounds like in the UK or Canada with their 'socialized' healthcare your business would still be up and running. You certainly wouldn't have been running around ERs.

[Nickdfresh]

The Canadian health care system isn't socialized, its HEALTH INSURANCE is. Buffoons like jacks need to understand this...

[FORD]

FORD, do you think BS will run in 2020 or will he be the guy that provides endorsements/approval?

Either one is possible. I wish Bernie was about 30 years younger, because we definitely need a President like him for at least 8 years. FDR had 12 years to save the country, and all the shit done since 1981 has left the US in as bad or worse of a place than it was in 1930.

Only problem with a younger candidate is that if you can't remember a Democratic president before Bill Clinton, then you literally have no idea what a Democratic president is supposed to be.

Alexandria Ocasia Cortez knows the real deal, of course. But she's only 28 so can't even run for the job for another 7 years, according to the Constitution. Though it sets 35 as the age limit, I believe JFK still holds the record of being the youngest elected at 43. Bill & Barry were in their mid 40s, from what I remember.

Compared to Cheeto though, I would say Bernie is in better health - mentally and physically - than the Orange Imbecile. Corporatist "Democrats" keep bringing Joe Biden up as a potential candidate. Joe's not only failed in three previous presidential primaries, he's older than Bernie, and has already had one significant brain injury which obviously took away his mental "filter" and turned him into a walking gaffe machine.

So all things considered, Bernie is still the best candidate.... but statistics being what they are, he's got to find a running mate who is worthy of carrying on after him, should he not survive 8 years in office.

[FORD]

Let me preface by saying that this was “point 2” of four points that led me to shutter my business over 10 years ago now. Employer provided health insurance. This won’t make sense to a couple of incompetent smart asses that linger here, so it will make sense to everyone else.

It wasn’t the insures that inflated my “healthcare” costs. It was politicians and lobbyists. The politicians and lobbyists were not subject to risk aversion so they were constantly passing mandates. The range of these benefits drive up the cost of insurance policies. It’s that simple. A healthy 25 year male employee was paying for in-vitro fertilization ( that one stood way out to me), hormone replacement therapy ( women have needs you know), and breast reduction, and more.

In 1979, there were 252 mandates. In 2009, 2,133 mandates. I’m no fan of insurance companies but that is ridiculous.
But here was the fucking nutcracker for me on this point: I couldn’t pay an employee what they were worth.
Each year I had to take my suddenly sullen self over to CBIZ and the accountants told me my wages for each position and how many I could hire with the rising premiums.

I am happy to answer any questions you have about this issue. It still keeps me up at night. I had an employee that took their 3 year old daughter to two ER’s before calling me. I grabbed a Tampa city police officer just outside of the airport terminal and he gave me a semi escort to the ER at Tampa General. He followed me in and listened to whole story about the little girls’ fever. It went much better with him and myself explaining what needed to get done quickly and the paperwork would follow.

Life is good.

Why do you suppose the German & Japanese auto industries are in better financial shape than the US auto industry?

Because they don't have to worry about their employees health care. Both countries got their national health care systems established in the post WWII late 1940s period. President Truman tried to do the same for the US, but was stopped by.....

**drum roll, please.......**

....the do-nothing Republican Congress!

So in reality, this all should have been solved way before any of us were born. But the usual corporatist assholes got in the way of it. Even though most corporations, both large & small, would actually benefit from not having to deal with the burden of employee health care at all.

[jacksmar]

Why do you suppose the German & Japanese auto industries are in better financial shape than the US auto industry?

Because they don't have to worry about their employees health care. Both countries got their national health care systems established in the post WWII late 1940s period. President Truman tried to do the same for the US, but was stopped by.....

**drum roll, please.......**

....the do-nothing Republican Congress!

So in reality, this all should have been solved way before any of us were born. But the usual corporatist assholes got in the way of it. Even though most corporations, both large & small, would actually benefit from not having to deal with the burden of employee health care at all.

FORD, I meant to get back with you a little quicker on this, sorry. Life is good but life happens. LOL

I don’t think it boils down anything that simple. In Indiana we had Delco Remy, Studebaker FMC Link Belt, Allisons, Bendix, Packard, Stutz, and Jeep auto manufacturers and car parts manufacturers operating in Indiana up until the 70s. I’m thinking there were more union demands and company buyouts that affected this industry more than insurance plans.

Additionally there were “industry crushing” regulations mandated by the federal government with regard to auto manufacturing. For example, Asbestos was in car parts because of its fire resistance in clutches, brakes, transmissions, and gaskets up until the 70s. The best brake pads ever manufactured were Raybestos.
But getting back to your health insurance point, did the AMA have a little more to do with that than the
Congress at the time? Now I know I’m getting old because I did a paper my freshman year at Indiana University on the Marshall plan and I just can’t remember. Wasn’t there a recovery program that provided aid to Western Europe called the ECC or EAC?

Anyway, Toyota set up North American headquarters in California years ago to be able to steal designs from other manufacturers. Heh But as far back as I can remember the Jaguar and the BMW and the Porsche were all cars in high demand. So I’m saying that health insurance probably didn’t have that much to do with auto sales but it probably helped.

[jacksmar]

I agree I think employers paying healthcare insurance for their employees is a horrible idea. It makes you feel like their healthcare is coming out your pocket, it gives you even more power over them as the employer especially if they have a family member with a chronic condition and allows the employer to impose fucked up morality they have on family planning.

And its more expensive. In the UK the employer pays a flat 12% of their salary as a tax, that's the end of it.

It sounds like in the UK or Canada with their 'socialized' healthcare your business would still be up and running. You certainly wouldn't have been running around ERs.

sesh, i really appreciate that you understand that the money was coming off of profit. But I never felt at any time, not one single day that it was enough. And you're dead on about the power but in the wrong direction. I used to fly to silicon valley and Seattle, and Portland, and Austin to recruit and interview for the smartest personnel. I didn't have to worry about the health benefits package and in a couple of cases that was my ace.

I could startup again with the right circumstances but times change. Remember when DEC and Northern Telecomm were the answer? I'm just old now.

I didn't mind heading to the ER that day. I was really upset that they were turned away at one ER and about to be turned away in another. Both those ER's only needed a check from me. A very large check but there was a breakdown in communication somehow. I had it covered in gold and platinum but produced cash on the spot. The USA ER's deal with so many "headaches" and "female issues" each day that it really has to suck at times.

I ended up thanking everyone and bought Rays tickets and doughnuts, and some Pizzas on St Patrick's Day to go along with the green beer. I really believe they gave the girl a chance. I don't believe she would have made it to the next ER. Life is good.

[jacksmar]

Either one is possible. I wish Bernie was about 30 years younger, because we definitely need a President like him for at least 8 years. FDR had 12 years to save the country, and all the shit done since 1981 has left the US in as bad or worse of a place than it was in 1930.

Only problem with a younger candidate is that if you can't remember a Democratic president before Bill Clinton, then you literally have no idea what a Democratic president is supposed to be.

Alexandria Ocasia Cortez knows the real deal, of course. But she's only 28 so can't even run for the job for another 7 years, according to the Constitution. Though it sets 35 as the age limit, I believe JFK still holds the record of being the youngest elected at 43. Bill & Barry were in their mid 40s, from what I remember.

Compared to Cheeto though, I would say Bernie is in better health - mentally and physically - than the Orange Imbecile. Corporatist "Democrats" keep bringing Joe Biden up as a potential candidate. Joe's not only failed in three previous presidential primaries, he's older than Bernie, and has already had one significant brain injury which obviously took away his mental "filter" and turned him into a walking gaffe machine.

So all things considered, Bernie is still the best candidate.... but statistics being what they are, he's got to find a running mate who is worthy of carrying on after him, should he not survive 8 years in office.

Way off topic,what did you make of that summer home purchase Bernie made a couple years back. I kinda see it from a different angle. If you can afford a summer home you've done very well.
The coward repubs and some on the left were so aghast that anyone could want such a thing. Total hypocrisy from these idiots.

[FORD]

The so called "Bernie's house controversy" really wasn't much of a controversy at all. What actually happened was that his wife Jane inherited some property in Maine, but she and Bernie thought that was too far away for a vacation home, so she sold that property and bought the vacation home in Vermont.

So it's technically Jane's house, rather than Bernie's. No money he made in the Senate, the 2016 campaign, or even book sales had any involvement in the real estate transaction.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/08/10/bernie-sanders-buys-summer-home/

[Kristy]

I didn't mind heading to the ER that day. I was really upset that they were turned away at one ER and about to be turned away in another. Both those ER's only needed a check from me. A very large check but there was a breakdown in communication somehow. I had it covered in gold and platinum but produced cash on the spot. The USA ER's deal with so many "headaches" and "female issues" each day that it really has to suck at times.

Shenanigans. "Turned away" my F A T fucking ass. No E.R. is going to turn anyone away because they cannot pay. I know, I have been in that situation with no insurance and have faced bills as high as $17,000 as because a few corrupt politicians want to keep it that way. There are payment plans and options and some I have had reduced. America can no longer turn a blind eye to the increasing health needs especially now as more and more of your decrypted "boomer" generation of F A T fuck tards are getting older. This was a burden predicted back in the early 80's that your F A T fuck tarded boomers would need more and more health care needs. Single payer seems to make sense to me because the for profit insurance have bankrupted so many. That has to end.

[jacksmar]

Shenanigans. "Turned away" my F A T fucking ass. No E.R. is going to turn anyone away because they cannot pay. I know, I have been in that situation with no insurance and have faced bills as high as $17,000 as because a few corrupt politicians want to keep it that way. There are payment plans and options and some I have had reduced. America can no longer turn a blind eye to the increasing health needs especially now as more and more of your decrypted "boomer" generation of F A T fuck tards are getting older. This was a burden predicted back in the early 80's that your F A T fuck tarded boomers would need more and more health care needs. Single payer seems to make sense to me because the for profit insurance have bankrupted so many. That has to end.

kristy, I'm sure your hospital administration skills are unmatched. Can you tell me what was the strategy/benefit for HRA's offered by WellPoint in 2005?

Single payer makes perfect sense to someone in your age bracket. The Vermont model is a perfect example of your knowledge and how this would work so well. There's over 140 social welfare programs in any state that you could consolidate just by using single payer. There wouldn't be any need for school breakfast, lunches, etc. Just pay a little more for someone else and the tax burden will drop. "a few corrupt politicians" won't need additional tax revenue for anything else government provides.

You've got this down! http://allcarealliance.org/about-us/