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  • Jérôme Frenchise
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Nov 2004
    • 7174

    She may have had twenty-five, who care, really?

    She's full of sex appeal.
    posted by Ellyllions Men say, "I'll never understand women." That's a very lonely place to be if you're a woman because we don't understand half of what we do either.
    posted by ALinChainz Katy, Pipe down, pump off, and fly back to your cave you old bat.

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    • Jérôme Frenchise
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Nov 2004
      • 7174

      Oops, double post.
      posted by Ellyllions Men say, "I'll never understand women." That's a very lonely place to be if you're a woman because we don't understand half of what we do either.
      posted by ALinChainz Katy, Pipe down, pump off, and fly back to your cave you old bat.

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      • Kristy
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 16347

        She's a propagandist and disinformationist.

        Don't believe one word she ever says.

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32798

          Originally posted by Kristy
          Do shut the fuck up.
          Now now. Relax. I don’t think you need a rock. You need a bud in a bowl.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32798

            Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
            She may have had twenty-five, who care, really?

            She's full of sex appeal.
            If face not good. Turn her the other way and give her some wood.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49230

              Originally posted by Kristy
              Interesting:

              It's not that Russia has a "Potemkin military", it's that they have had a tiered military, specifically the Army. About 1/3 to 1/4 is pretty good and properly funded with about 1/10 being actually combat ready. The rest is filled out by hapless, semi-trained conscripts using aged equipment as cannon fodder. The Russians have enjoyed an era where they could deploy and showcase a small number of special ops troops like Spetnatz and their only infantry worth a shit -the paratroops- along with a few select line units in Syria to vastly overinflate their strategic effectiveness. But any sort of major war was/is going to bite them since they have no strategic reserves or trained, follow on manpower and it seems not out of the realm of possibility that The Ukraine forces may defeat the Russians outright if the West grows their balls a bit more and provides serious logistical follow-on aid and they are able to launch serious counter offensives. Every Russian weapon system is basically an updated version of a Soviet system developed 30-40 years ago with few exceptions. They Russian Army has run out of funds to develop newer systems like the Armata Tank, supposedly a decade ahead of anything Western it's turning out to be an expensive boondoggle that will never be deployed in real numbers and the flying white elephant SU-37. It's an "offensive only" MBT that cannot fire hull down from a dug-in defensive position like the M-1A3 or Leopard II can, which is incredibly stupid since it limits its use to breakthrough attacks with a small number of less than 200 tanks.


              A few years back the Rand Corporation (the tip of the military industrial complex/whores) did a wargame where Russia attacked a small former Soviet NATO country like Estonia. They swept everyone out of the way initially, but of course couldn't win a long-term war of attrition. But I questioned it at the time and now even more so. NATO detected this build up and would have responded but they made it a straight surprise blitz. The Russians have a history of fucking up logistics (during the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan) their tank armies received lots of follow-on tank shells but no food or water for a while. NATO was still a bit weaker then but they wouldn't have gotten away with that easily in the West. Maybe they've improved some but that column north of Kyiv would have been slaughtered by even a deficient NATO air force and it seems most Russians don't have a stomach for this fight...

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58838

                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Kristy
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 16347

                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  Every Russian weapon system is basically an updated version of a Soviet system developed 30-40 years ago with few exceptions. They Russian Army has run out of funds to develop newer systems like the Armata Tank, supposedly a decade ahead of anything Western it's turning out to be an expensive boondoggle that will never be deployed in real numbers and the flying white elephant SU-37. It's an "offensive only" MBT that cannot fire hull down from a dug-in defensive position like the M-1A3 or Leopard II can, which is incredibly stupid since it limits its use to breakthrough attacks with a small number of less than 200 tanks.

                  From what I've seen the Russian military is ill-equipped and ill-trained to properly fight not only a war with NATO but all out guerilla assault against them. Outdated rations, poorly on not even maintained equipment cutting on corners so oligarchs can have yachts and Manhattan apartments. Almost non-existent communication between soldiers and command, no real discipline the battlefield, low morale, and it appears little of them had any combat training against NATO forces. It would not take much for NATO to destroy Putin's military with conventional aircraft once they disrupt communication and supply lines and the Russians are already doing that to themselves. Russia can only win by indiscriminate civilian population bombing and cutting off amenities such as water and food in order to starve the population into submission. They knew they will be slaughtered if they try to take cities by direct force.

                  Russia now has the numbers and overwhelming firepower but cannot lay hold of Ukraine even with a puppet government without years of guerilla and tactical warfare supplied by NATO intelligence and weapons. Putin will take Ukraine in time but with his army as shitty as it truly is and once more and more Russian soldiers and hired mercenaries come home in body bags plus what it is costing him per day with no economy to adequately support it that if his wins, he loses.

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                  • Kristy
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 16347

                    Who knows how real this is but I would not put it past the Russian military

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58838

                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35223

                        Originally posted by Kristy
                        From what I've seen the Russian military is ill-equipped and ill-trained to properly fight not only a war with NATO but all out guerilla assault against them. Outdated rations, poorly on not even maintained equipment cutting on corners so oligarchs can have yachts and Manhattan apartments. Almost non-existent communication between soldiers and command, no real discipline the battlefield, low morale, and it appears little of them had any combat training against NATO forces. It would not take much for NATO to destroy Putin's military with conventional aircraft once they disrupt communication and supply lines and the Russians are already doing that to themselves. Russia can only win by indiscriminate civilian population bombing and cutting off amenities such as water and food in order to starve the population into submission. They knew they will be slaughtered if they try to take cities by direct force.

                        Russia now has the numbers and overwhelming firepower but cannot lay hold of Ukraine even with a puppet government without years of guerilla and tactical warfare supplied by NATO intelligence and weapons. Putin will take Ukraine in time but with his army as shitty as it truly is and once more and more Russian soldiers and hired mercenaries come home in body bags plus what it is costing him per day with no economy to adequately support it that if his wins, he loses.
                        I've thought for a long time that Russian military power must be overrated. I get that things are going to be cheaper there but they spend less than the UK on defence but their armed forces are 10 or 20 times the size, there must be a lot of shit in there. Then throw in the corruption and conscript troops. Who tells us their military is good? Russia and the military industrial complex who want us to spend spend spend. I haven't even mentioned yet that the US spends more than 10 times as much. It's all about the nukes and given their space program seems to work I guess we have to assume that enough of their missiles would land.

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35223

                          Talking of corruption and you don't want to kick someone when they are down but Ukraine is pretty bad too, second only to Russia in Europe.

                          How does your country measure up in the 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index?

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32798

                            Originally posted by Seshmeister
                            Talking of corruption and you don't want to kick someone when they are down but Ukraine is pretty bad too, second only to Russia in Europe.

                            https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021
                            Bingo! Corrupt countries become convenient puppets for those who are up to nefarious activities. They being a key word.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Nitro Express
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 32798

                              Who benefits and who is threatened? What kind of prizes are to be won and what is going to be lost.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                              • Kristy
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 16347

                                Who knows if this is Ukrainian propaganda but I'll say for the most part it is not. The Russian military is this shitty:

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