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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49335

    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    Way better in the West, for example it was closer to 1 dead for every 10 wounded in Afghanistan so I think that means if the US/UK were fighting if they had casualties like the Russians we would have 'only' 30 000 dead rather than 120 000 just because of better medics. If Sarge was around he would be able to tell you that that there have been incredible improvements in the last 20 years in gunshot/battlefield medicine.

    I was listening to a documentary going through the autopsies listing all the assassinated US presidents that would survive now which is most of them. Even Robert Kennedy who was shot in the head at close range would probably survive nowadays although a bit fucked up.

    So that's Russia lost twice as many people in the Ukraine in 18 months than the US lost in 10 years in Vietnam?
    All true. To be fair though, in a high intensity near-peer fight, casualties would be higher and the death-to-wounded-ratio would be lower than 10:1 without air superiority (or supremacy) and an enemy possessing a lot or artillery, SAM's, and armor...

    The est. of Russian dead is likely low and may be as high as near 300K. In any case in 'Nam the US lost 58,220 dead (KIA) between 1957-1975 IIRC with the bulk between 1965-1971. There were over 153,000 WIA but you can double that to over 300,000 when wounds not requiring hospitalization are included...

    So yeah, the Russians are fucking twisted and ruining their next 50 years in this war. I mean if they told us in Basic Training that we needed to get tampons from our mothers, wives, or girlfriends to treat our battlefield wounds I'd of fucking deserted!...

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49335

      I think absolute proof that Ukrainians are killing Russians at much higher ratios even though they're mostly on the offensive and are supposed to traditionally suffer more casualties than the defender is in the Oryx estimate of destroyed vehicles and equipment. They count destroyed stuff using satellite and other open source material and routinely show that the Russians lose two pieces of tanks, IFV's, APC's, SPG's (AFV's in general) and everything else for one Ukrainian loss. Usually it's more like 3:1 or even 4:1 in favor of the Ukrainian Defense Forces...

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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35441

        That's always been the Russian way though.

        Their great victory at Kursk that they always glorify they outnumbered the attacking Germans 3 to 1, they were on home soil with the German supply lines going back thousands of miles and they still lost twice as many as the Germans and 4 or 5 times as many tanks.

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49335

          The difference is that back then they had the birthrate to sustain it, now not so much...

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49335

            The Mother of all Decapitation Strikes! Ukraine may have used UK Storm Shadow missiles to destroy the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol, probably killing the lead admiral and possibly causing over 100 casualties of other senior officers of the Russian military and intelligence...

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            • Seshmeister
              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

              • Oct 2003
              • 35441

              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
              The Mother of all Decapitation Strikes! Ukraine may have used UK Storm Shadow missiles to destroy the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol, probably killing the lead admiral and possibly causing over 100 casualties of other senior officers of the Russian military and intelligence...
              Can you remember a war in modern times where one side lost so many senior military?

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49335

                No. Not even close. Generals and admirals die but not that this level of attrition. Part of the issue is that , the Russians use officers to manage everything unlike say, the US or UK (NATO) armies that have a professional NCO corp that take initiative when the officers are killed or are incompetent. In short Russian senior commanders have to get close to the action to drive home their objectives. And of course in the occupied Ukraine they have HUMINT intelligence assets honing the targeting of senior Russian commanders in addition to everything else like drones and SIGNIT...

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35441

                  Hmm I think that there was maybe some propaganda exaggerating the scale of that attack.

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49335

                    Originally posted by Seshmeister
                    Hmm I think that there was maybe some propaganda exaggerating the scale of that attack.

                    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...fficers-killed
                    Maybe, but the video was inclusive as to when it was shot. He also said nothing in it...

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49335

                      Ukrainian armored officer has issues with captured Russian T-72B3 so he calls Tech Support at a Russian factory...

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49335

                        Russia is Getting Crushed Around Avdiyivka "Meat Grinder"...



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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49335

                          According to ORYX, Russia has lost 173 visually confirmed military vehicles to Ukraine's 37 this week...

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32880



                            Well if you want drugs and whores Ukraine is the place to be.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 59141

                              Is Pooty dead?? Or even close to dead?? When was the last time anybody saw old Vlad?

                              Has Putin Died? What We Know, What We Don't
                              Story by Tom Norton
                              newsweek.com



                              Rumors surrounding Russian President Vladimir Putin's health have doggedly followed him throughout his time in power, often without evidence to support them.

                              Earlier this week, a story that he had suffered a cardiac arrest led to headlines around the world. The Kremlin denied the claims saying everything was fine with him.

                              Now, however, this reported slide in health has allegedly reached its nadir, if the newest rumor is to be believed.
                              A Telegram post by Russian gossip channel General SVR, on October 26, 2023, stated that Putin died at his residence in Valdai at 20.42 p.m Moscow time on Thursday, sparking a coup d'état in Russia!

                              Now the doctors are blocked in the room with Putin's corpse, they are being held by employees of the presidential security service on the personal order of Dmitry Kochnev, who is in touch and receives instructions from the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, Nikolai Patrushev, the post added.

                              The security of the president's double has been strengthened. Active negotiations are underway. Any attempt to pass off a double as president after Putin's death is a coup d'état.
                              As anyone who has followed General SVR's Telegram channel might predict, there were no evidence or sources cited.

                              General SVR also shared the rumor earlier this week that Putin had a cardiac arrest, and earlier this month claimed he had named his successor in the event of his death. Both of these stories were also without evidence.

                              The latest post follows the narrative thread of General SVR's other stories too. The channel has alleged that Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev is in line to become leader, and has repeatedly said that Moscow has been using body doubles to disguise Putin's health.

                              Both Russian and Western media outlets have reported that presidential spokesperson Dmitry Peskov denied rumors about Putin's death.

                              The Moscow Times reported on Friday, citing state-owned news agency RIA Novosti, that Peskov called the death rumor an absurd information canard.

                              That exact same phrase was attributed to Peskov on Tuesday to deny the earlier rumors of a cardiac arrest.

                              Newsweek was unable to find the newest Peskov denial via RIA Novosti or elsewhere, and it was unclear if the reports were confusing the alleged comment with the earlier Kremlin denial.

                              However, the state-owned agency did post a video of Putin on Friday morning via its Telegram channel, at an operational meeting with members of the Security Council.

                              The Kremlin has been contacted for comment via email.

                              Although the claims shared by General SVR have been widely dismissed, other more credible sources have alleged that Putin has suffered from poor health.

                              Three intelligence leaders told Newsweek in July 2022 that a classified U.S. report said Putin had undergone treatment in April 2022 for advanced cancer.

                              The same year, The Moscow Times cited an investigative report by independent Russian media outlet Proekt Media that said Putin was accompanied by doctors, including a thyroid cancer surgeon, on trips to his residence in Sochi from 2016 to 2019 and that doctors "may have performed surgery" on him in November 2016.
                              Eat Us And Smile

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                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                              • Kristy
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 16489

                                Hogwash. If Putin's dead it will most likely come from a bullet or two or ten entering his skull.

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