Ron DeSantis Officially Launches Bid to Turn Entire Nation Into Florida

[Seshmeister]

And at least own it - making people in black and poor areas in the south wait 6 hours to vote and then banning anyone giving them water? Really?

If you are going to support it at least have the balls to admit it.

[Seshmeister]

LOL, so ALL polls have an overwhelming majority of Amaericans support Voter ID. ANd they are wrong...Hilarious.

A majority of Americans believe in an invisible sky daddy. A majority of Americans think the Kardashians are amazing and interesting.

A majority of Americans can’t cover a $1,000 emergency expense.

A majority of Americans approved of the Trump indictment.

What's your point?

[Seshmeister]

If you don’t want the system secure it means you want to commit fraud.

It would be more secure if you had to present a passport to vote. Are you for that or are you for fraud?

I expect better arguments than this from you...

[Seshmeister]

DeSantis has far more policy positions that align with the political center of the nation than any other GOP candidate... he's next generation, willing to fight with common sense position on a wide range of issues and has strong leadership skills. I don't see any other candidate that comes close to appealing to the core of the nation on either side compared to DeSantis.

Have you watched this?

Maybe he is the best of a bad bunch for some people but...

This culture wars woke shit is such a con on both sides. It's all irrelevant to 99% of people. Any time it comes up your first question should be 'How does this make any difference to my life?' and it never actually does, The fact is it really doesn't matter a flying fuck whether some college doesn't have it's shit together yet about some trans coming second in a swimming event is really not a reason to base your presidential vote on. Particularly since they have no power over it anyway. It's all about trying to distract you from the flow of money and real power - which actually sounds like something Nitro might post.

[Von Halen]

Or he's a pandering, hypocritical socialist cunt attacking big business

Nickdlunatic. Do you love big business, or do you hate big business? One minute you're crying about big business, the next you're defending it. Typical Dumbocrat. Can't make up his mind.

[Nickdfresh]

Let's start here. Can you really tell me any Democratic state following this direction has had an iota of improvement in people's lives? Its horrific

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand...ustice-system/

Can you tell me a Republican one?

You seem to hate your country's politics, yet Canada routinely beats the US is quality-of-life surveys....

[Nickdfresh]

This one is also pretty funny...I think 80% of Americans support needing Voter ID, and yet, the Dems have a very different view.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand...our-democracy/

That depends a lot how the question is phrased. But since there are very few verifiable instances of voter fraud (with the vast majority being perpetuated by Republicans) it's kind of a "who-gives-a-fuck" thing with a very low payoff for a criminal act that entails harsh penalties....

[Nickdfresh]

What a silly argument. Imagine if we based policy decisions on what one politician said once...

If memory serves the Democrats voted against the 13th, 14th and 15th amendment as well, that gave freedom, Voting Rights to slaves?

Voter ID is the simplest and mose sane policy to ensure voter integrity.

Well fuck, 62% of Americans think that abortion should be legal, and the other 38% are muddled in qualifiers but your boy Meatball Ron is enacting some of the most stringent anti-abortion measures in the US. So tell me how Ron truly speaks for the majority...

When and fuck where have Republicans ever given a shit about what the "majority" of Americans think?

[Nickdfresh]

But teh very people they claim to be helping also support voter ID! Close to 70%!! This shouldn't even be a conversation it is so ridiculous.

Your "gotcha" point is what is ridiculous. But under what circumstance to "70%" believe in Voter ID? That we make sure that every citizen gets a free ID delivered to their door? Okay, sign me up! But these laws are actually used as a Poll-tax designed to disenfranchise older minority voters that tend to vote for Democrats by putting hurtles in front on them for what is a basic civic right! Why the fuck do YOU care so much? What is so IMPORTANT regarding this issue that has no effect on anyone?

There are almost ZERO issues regarding voter fraud in the United States, and even confirmed ones have had almost no affect on the outcome of elections...

[Nickdfresh]

Nickdlunatic. Do you love big business, or do you hate big business? One minute you're crying about big business, the next you're defending it. Typical Dumbocrat. Can't make up his mind.

I don't love or hate big business, but I have some hot fucking stocks and 401K's in several. so, what in fuck does it matter? Many "big businesses" are run by people that basically vote the way I do. Republicans have a lot of problems with many of them, like Trump attacking Amazon. Or the whole META thing. YOU"RE THE HYPOCRITE! Not me, man...

But feel free to quote me "crying about big business" and we'll go line by line!

Geroge fucking Soros anyone? He's a self-made billionaire, but Jesus fuck is he the devil to many Republcians....

[Seshmeister]

Stuff I see on here and in real life with the 'I reject mainstream media' people. It's not a right or left thing happens to both.

a) Mainstream media is flawed but if you wholesale reject it you are just replacing it with stuff with even fewer checks and balances.
b) That stuff is by design going to reinforce everything you think and then make it more extreme because that will make you feed it
c) It will make you think that stuff that doesn't actually matter very much is very important like trans stuff or whatever. On both sides of that argument.
d) It makes you used to not hearing other opinions or facts outwith your tribe.

If you want to be better informed you have to learn critical thinking and listen to sources and voices and opinions that you may disagree with otherwise you have turned yourself into a sheep.

This is ironic because the people it happens to most think that they are the real 'free thinkers' when actually they have just fallen down a hole. This happens equally left or right leaning politics although at this point I think that's becoming bullshit and people should be paying more attention to authoritarian v non authoritarian because that is more likely to fuck with your day to day life. Especially if say your daughter gets knocked up on a one night stand at 17 and someone like Ron says she can't have an abortion because he gets to decide that.

[twonabomber]

I have to show my ID every time I vote. I give the poll worker my ID, they look me up in the register. I get a ballot. No big deal.

You have to prove you are a real person, the actual person and you have been approved by the county to vote. I can’t keep going to different polls voting multiple times.

Same here. Present an ID, they look it up in the hard copy, and sign. We may be able to present a utility bill and make a provisional vote, I don't remember.

There are people who don't want to be "tracked," so they don't get driver's licenses or state ID, or vote. We are asked when we renew our licenses if we're a registered voter, and if not, you're able to sign up.

[Seshmeister]

So you need to drive a car to be able to vote? Who the fuck ever risks committing a felony to add an extra vote or two in elections of millions of voters? It just doesn't happen. Postal votes maybe sometimes a little but not in person.

[Nickdfresh]

The cases of in person fraud here are around 20 per election - less than one in a million and have never affected any election. In response the government are spending $100 million it's utter bullshit and they are copying the GOP in the US.

With at least a few notable Republican pundits committing it! I think Ann Coulter erroneously voted illegally outside her residential polling station district. Should she be charged with a felony?

[twonabomber]

Let's talk about them one by one.

Ramaswamy has no chance. It's Kucinich all over again...there are sections of the country that won't vote for him simply because his name sounds funny.