Trudeau and Liberals invite actual SS Nazi to House of Commons

[Seshmeister]

Who better to honor the National Socialist Party than socialists. Fascism usually always rolls in from the left and not the right. We didn’t learn shit from WWII.

But the guy we are talking about in this thread was fighting the communists???

I'm trying to find a fascist movement that wasn't anti communist.

The National Fascist Party of Mussolini was from the right. The Nazi's in Germany were always anti communist to the point that was the main reason for their existence in the first place. They may have been anti big business early on but they were always populist anti left nationalists.

[Seshmeister]

Go look at real neo Nazis in prison. None of those fuckers are going to wear matching kakis and carry tiki torches from a dollar store.

Presumably due to prison rules about dress code and fire safety?

[Rikk]

I think this is all garbage. And half the time they are Feds. They did the same thing here in Ottawa for the truckers march. It was so peaceful, and one planted flag...a joke

Stupidest post I've read in a while. Trying to minimize the murderous & violent impact of the Charlottesville Nazis, some of whom were chanting for Trump (though not Christopher Cantwell because he was mad Ivanka married a Jewish man), is like a joke at this point. I've seen hours of footage of Charlottesville. Those monsters wanted blood. There's less-seen footage of them beating a black man with lead pipes, his blood all over the pavement.

"Good people," as Trump called them. (David Duke himself, onsite that day, thanked Trump for the day's success.)

Anytime I see a MAGA try and minimize the link between MAGA and white supremacy, their credibility is easier than ever to throw out.

[Rikk]

Who better to honor the National Socialist Party than socialists. Fascism usually always rolls in from the left and not the right. We didn’t learn shit from WWII.

LMFAO!! Again, what a moronic thing to say.

The original National Socialist party WAS a socialist party, yes. But read your history...Hitler did not form the Nazis. He took them over. Look at what he did to the founders and original members of the party...expelled, murdered. He kept the brand name...but anyone who thinks the Nazi party was remotely Communist is completely ignorant of history. German communists were some of the first people put into concentration camps. They were the Nazis' biggest enemy (besides the Jews). The Nazis that rose into power in 1933 had nothing to do with Communism. They were plain fascist. Hitler is basically the poster-boy for plain ol' fascism.

I've seen some of the dumbest MAGAs try to make the argument (to help the MAGA movement's public image) try and make the "National Socialist means Nazis are socialists" argument a bunch o' times. But it's truly a laughable argument.

Didn't you ever take a history or political science course in your life?

[Rikk]

Right. The conspiracy shit comes out like dirreahia from an asshole...

Just like Tucker's "inside men" at January 6. What a joke.

Listening to MAGAs try and claim that the insurrection was a Democrat inside job is just about as ridiculous as listening to old interview of John Gacy trying to claim that his employees actually put all those bodies in his basement while he was on work trips.

[Rikk]

I'm glad that this guy has started to learn about WW2 but he still has quite a long way to go.

It was obviously wrong to honor the Ukrainian and also to give a propaganda weapon to Putin but it's all a bit more complicated. Russia was allied with Nazi Germany until it attacked them. Russia committed just as many massacres of Poles as the Nazis did in the early part of the war when dividing Poland up. Losing far more soldiers fighting the Nazis than the West is a lot to do with them caring a lot less about casualties. Max Hastings is a journalist not a historian.

If you were a Ukrainian in your 20s and when you were younger Stalin engineered the death of 3.9 MILLION of your people, over 10% of the population, who is to say you wouldn't have joined sides with the Germans...?

I've heard the numbers are even higher than 3.9 MILLION...but these things are hard to determine.

The Turks (partly using Kurdish mercenaries) killed 1.5 MILLION of my people (I'm Armenian...and Swedish). They murdered my great-grandmother, great uncle, great aunt, etc. And while it's estimated at 1.5 million, the true numbers can never be known.

What Stalin did is even harder to track because some of it was outright murder with gun/knife, some of it was enforced starvation, gulags, forced marches, etc.

The irony is that when some Slavs were captured by the Nazis, the Slavs were happy to offer their Russian captors a chance to join them fighting the Russians...

...but the Nazis just killed them instead.

[Rikk]

Who better to honor the National Socialist Party than socialists. Fascism usually always rolls in from the left and not the right. We didn’t learn shit from WWII.

Seriously, didn't you learn anything from history books? In the authoritarian versus libertarian spectrum, fascism is hard-authoritarianism. In the so-called right-left spectrum, fascism is seen by political scientists as FAR-right.

[Rikk]

Go look at real neo Nazis in prison. None of those fuckers are going to wear matching kakis and carry tiki torches from a dollar store.

Yeah, cuz THEY'RE IN PRISON!! I don't know if you knew this but they have kind of a DRESS CODE in prison. That's why tattoos are so popular in prison.

And don't tell me the REAL neo-Nazis are in prison. There are plenty that are free.

Some of them do things like blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building (McVeigh loved his Turner Diaries) or shoot up synagogues. I'm sorry...that's real enough to me.

[Nickdfresh]

I'm glad that this guy has started to learn about WW2 but he still has quite a long way to go.

It was obviously wrong to honor the Ukrainian and also to give a propaganda weapon to Putin but it's all a bit more complicated. Russia was allied with Nazi Germany until it attacked them. Russia committed just as many massacres of Poles as the Nazis did in the early part of the war when dividing Poland up. Losing far more soldiers fighting the Nazis than the West is a lot to do with them caring a lot less about casualties. Max Hastings is a journalist not a historian.

If you were a Ukrainian in your 20s and when you were younger Stalin engineered the death of 3.9 MILLION of your people, over 10% of the population, who is to say you wouldn't have joined sides with the Germans...?

Yep, the Soviets invaded both Finland and collaborated on the invasion of Poland. The Katyn Massacre was the slaughter of 40,000+ Polish intellectuals and military officers the USSR tried to pin on the Germans. And Soviet Red Army soldiers raped everyone girl form "eight to eighty" advancing into Eastern Europe and Germany and more than a few boys too...

Anyone that says they were a Ukrainian nationalist in WWII should trigger massive red flags. Some anti-Soviet Ukrainians did fight the Nazis as well but most collaborated with them on some level for a time.

The Russians are not fucking innocent either. The Russian Liberation Army was a German SS unit that attracted hundreds of thousands of ex-Soviet POW's although the other choice was starvation. And while the Nazis were horrid it should be said the Soviets were not saints on their advance into Germany either. It was a brutal slog on both sides. And of course there is no excuse for fighting for Nazis, but the Ukraine did suffer a famine-genocide that was exacerbated by the Soviet authorities during the Holomodor...

[Nickdfresh]

Seriously, didn't you learn anything from history books? In the authoritarian versus libertarian spectrum, fascism is hard-authoritarianism. In the so-called right-left spectrum, fascism is seen by political scientists as FAR-right.

It's a fucking myth rightist pundits like Jonah Goldberg try to foist on everyone because the Nazi's were "national socialists". They were not socialists and most got rich along with numerous German capitalists. Any actual "socialist" Nazis were killed off or fled by the late 30's in The Night of the Long Knives and the name was just to attract German workers but the party was largely founded (before even Hitler joined) by middle and upper class Bavarian capitalists. I mean North Korea isn't a fucking democracy nor was East Germany despite having that title in their official country names...

[Rikk]

It's a fucking myth rightist pundits like Jonah Goldberg try to foist on everyone because the Nazi's were "national socialists". They were not socialists and most got rich along with numerous German capitalists. Any actual "socialist" Nazis were killed off or fled by the late 30's in The Night of the Long Knives and the name was just to attract German workers but the party was largely founded (before even Hitler joined) by middle and upper class Bavarian capitalists. I mean North Korea isn't a fucking democracy nor was East Germany despite having that title in their official country names...

You bet. Two things Hitler immediately did when he got into power was he privatized state-owned industries and the government suppressed trade unions.

The government also developed a partnership with independent big businesses. The fascist/authoritarian aspect really kicked into high gear with the government's support of monopolies at the expense of small businesses.

[FORD]

Just like Tucker's "inside men" at January 6. What a joke.

Listening to MAGAs try and claim that the insurrection was a Democrat inside job is just about as ridiculous as listening to old interview of John Gacy trying to claim that his employees actually put all those bodies in his basement while he was on work trips.

Cucker's whole argument was based around a guy named Ray Epps, who was clearly one of the ringleaders of the insurrection, as visible in the videos. But he hadn't been charged when some of the other MAGAtts were, which led to numerous right wing conspiracy theories about Epps being an undercover FBI agent.

Well, that argument ain't going to work anymore. Epps was charged last week.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ray-epps-subject-tucker-carlsons-jan-6-conspiracy-theories-charged-doj-rcna99836

[Rikk]

Cucker's whole argument was based around a guy named Ray Epps, who was clearly one of the ringleaders of the insurrection, as visible in the videos. But he hadn't been charged when some of the other MAGAtts were, which led to numerous right wing conspiracy theories about Epps being an undercover FBI agent.

Well, that argument ain't going to work anymore. Epps was charged last week.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...-doj-rcna99836

What's awesome about his being charged is:
Even though the Cucker/MAGA crowd will say, "They just charged him to kill the conspiracy theory," they won't be able to claim that for long. If he was doing all this on order of the FBI, he would surely use this as his defense in court. But because it's not true, they won't be able to make such an argument anymore.

And Cucker will get even more egg on his face after airing his interview with the con man who allegedly had sex (and did crack) with Obama...the same interviewee who was arrested again last week for another malicious activity.

[Nickdfresh]

You bet. Two things Hitler immediately did when he got into power was he privatized state-owned industries and the government suppressed trade unions.

The government also developed a partnership with independent big businesses. The fascist/authoritarian aspect really kicked into high gear with the government's support of monopolies at the expense of small businesses.

People also conflate the fact that the German Nazi regime had extensive control of the overall economy, but no shit! It was almost a full war economy by 1938, earlier than any of the Allies save the Soviets. The US and Commonweath countries also have extensive gov't planning in their war economies after 1939-41...

[Rikk]

People also conflate the fact that the German Nazi regime had extensive control of the overall economy, but no shit! It was almost a full war economy by 1938, earlier than any of the Allies save the Soviets. The US and Commonweath countries also have extensive gov't planning in their war economies after 1939-41...

The other thing I understand from looking at German society under the Nazis was this intense concentration on promoting the good of the individual German/Aryan. They would promote what a single German individual can accomplish on their own...their "intrinsic excellence & achievements." Communist societies don't operate this way. Their entire apparatus is designed to promote only the "collective good"...the "good for the state."