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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59649

    No Accountability on Abu Ghraib

    No Accountability on Abu Ghraib

    Published: September 10, 2004



    After months of Senate hearings and eight Pentagon investigations, it is obvious that the administration does not intend to hold any high-ranking official accountable for the nightmare at Abu Ghraib. It was pretty clear yesterday that Senator John Warner's well-intentioned hearings of the Armed Services Committee are not going to do it either.

    James Schlesinger, who was picked by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to head a civilian investigation of Abu Ghraib and seems determined to repay the favor, gave unhelpful testimony that included an incredible statement that there was no policy "that encourages abuse." He told that to the same senators who had heard earlier from a panel of generals that the Central Intelligence Agency was still refusing to account for its practice of hiding dozens of prisoners from the Red Cross. Mr. Rumsfeld personally approved that violation of the Geneva Conventions and other international treaties on at least one occasion.

    At the hearing, Mr. Warner asked Mr. Schlesinger and Harold Brown, another former secretary of defense, to be specific about their report's talk of "institutional and personal responsibility at higher levels." Neither man had any intention of doing that.

    Senator John McCain, who was a prisoner of war in the Vietnam era, asked Mr. Schlesinger with evident exasperation: "Isn't there some accountability? Isn't there some responsibility?" Mr. Schlesinger managed to come up with the colonel who read the first Red Cross report on the abuse of prisoners in late 2003 and decided that it was not credible. As for high-ranking officers and civilians, he intoned, "careers will be negatively affected."

    Senator Edward Kennedy tried again. He read a list of naval officers fired for minor infractions committed by those under their command and asked why the same high standards of responsibility should not apply to, say, Mr. Rumsfeld. Mr. Schlesinger, who had earlier offered the bizarre theory that "what constitutes 'humane treatment' lies in the eye of the beholder," replied that "it's more complicated" when it came to holding a high-ranking politician accountable. He said a man like Mr. Rumsfeld must be judged on his "full performance."

    We agree, enthusiastically. And with due respect to Mr. Warner - who has bravely continued his hearings and seems willing to keep going for months more - the answers are in.

    Mr. Rumsfeld gave President Bush the legal advice that led to the president's famous memo declaring that the United States could, at his discretion, suspend the Geneva Conventions in the "global war on terror," and that prisoners with the newly minted designation of "unlawful combatants" were not entitled to the conventions' protections. Mr. Rumsfeld authorized the use of brutal interrogation techniques at the prison in Guantánamo Bay, some of which he later rescinded. His war plans left the Army without enough forces to face the uprising that followed Mr. Bush's ludicrously premature "mission accomplished" photo-op. Those policies - which commanders were afraid to challenge - left 97 untrained military police guarding some 7,000 Iraqis at Abu Ghraib who were not considered prisoners of war.

    Mr. Rumsfeld's staff sent the chief Guantánamo Bay jailer to Iraq. There, he gave Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who was under immense pressure from Washington to get intelligence on the Iraqi insurgency, a rundown on how the military forced information out of prisoners at Guantánamo. General Sanchez used that briefing, and the logic of the president's memo on unlawful combatants, to authorize the use of dogs and other illegal interrogation methods. He later tried to rescind the order, but every investigation has shown that the notion that the rules had changed was already widespread in Iraq, as well as at American military prisons in Afghanistan.

    Most broadly, Mr. Rumsfeld, along with Attorney General John Ashcroft, has led the administration's efforts to justify the use of brutal interrogation techniques in the name of fighting terrorism.

    Late in the day of hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican, offered a wry observation on how Mr. Rumsfeld's future had become wrapped up in Mr. Bush's campaign. "I guess we'll get the real answer to that after the election," he said.

    Perhaps so, but that will be a year after the Red Cross first told the Army that prisoners were being brutalized at military detention centers all over Iraq, especially at Abu Ghraib. The American public, and the rest of the world, should not have to wait that long.


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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    Yet another non-issue...

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    • Sgt Schultz
      Commando
      • Mar 2004
      • 1270

      #3
      Some terrorists have photos taken of their weenies and the left and the media (same thing) wet their pants. We wouldn't want to be mean to any terrorists, would we?

      Funny how none of these same people gave a crap when Saddam was lowering people into shredders. Not surprising though.

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        #4
        It's sickening how pussy ass liberals pretend to be worried about bullshit like this...

        It's all about benefiting their weak ass bullshit cause...

        I'm honest enough to say I could care less about such matters...


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        • JCOOK

          #5
          I take full responsibility and if I had to have them do it again I would!

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          • Betty Bush III
            Groupie
            • Jul 2004
            • 50

            #6
            Re: No Accountability on Abu Ghraib

            Originally posted by FORD
            No Accountability on Abu Ghraib

            Published: September 10, 2004



            After months of Senate hearings and eight Pentagon investigations, it is obvious that the administration does not intend to hold any high-ranking official accountable for the nightmare at Abu Ghraib. It was pretty clear yesterday that Senator John Warner's well-intentioned hearings of the Armed Services Committee are not going to do it either.


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            BOO HOO... You're still angry that someone put a pair of spiderman underwear over an Iraqi's head and took a photo. Meanwhile Americans are being killed and beheaded. Grow some balls.

            An American military failure in Iraq is a Democrat's wet dream. Especially a piece of garbage like Teddy Kennedy. Think of what that means. It's sad.

            The media over-reported this scandal to dethrone Bush. The insane coverage was politically driven and people like you are brainwashed into thinking it's a real issue. Please, worse things happens at a Frat party.

            Stop listening to windbags like Teddy Kennedy scream and yell. Most people have better things to give a shit about than Abu Ghareb.

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49567

              #7
              Re: Re: No Accountability on Abu Ghraib

              Originally posted by Betty Bush III
              BOO HOO... You're still angry that someone put a pair of spiderman underwear over an Iraqi's head and took a photo. Meanwhile Americans are being killed and beheaded. Grow some balls
              How can the two even be cuntpared? The difference is we invaded THEIR country.

              An American military failure in Iraq is a Democrat's wet dream. Especially a piece of garbage like Teddy Kennedy. Think of what that means. It's sad.
              Since many Democrats VOTED for this war, that is highly unlikely. And the war has failed due to the arrogant policies of it's engineers! And what about the piece of garbage that is Tom DeLay? Bill Frist? Both pieces of phoney hypocritical shit that expouse "Christianity" of ripping off people and making money! Cunts!

              The media over-reported this scandal to dethrone Bush. The insane coverage was politically driven and people like you are brainwashed into thinking it's a real issue. Please, worse things happens at a Frat party.
              Bullshit! Media reporting is driven by consumer demand! Remember your high school economics lessons?

              And this was a systematic plan designed to specifically target arab social mores! Is being totally rejected by family and society a result of a "frat party?" Read the fucking link I provided! Tell us what the "real issue" is!

              Stop listening to windbags like Teddy Kennedy scream and yell. Most people have better things to give a shit about than Abu Ghareb.
              Give me a fucking break! Stop listening to drug addicts like Rush Limbaugh fool!

              And BTW, it's ABU FUCKING-GHRAIB! At least spell it right!
              Last edited by Nickdfresh; 04-24-2005, 02:45 AM.

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              • Betty Bush III
                Groupie
                • Jul 2004
                • 50

                #8
                Re: Re: Re: No Accountability on Abu Ghraib

                Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                How can the two even be cuntpared? The difference is we invaded THEIR country.



                Since many Democrats VOTED for this war, that is highly unlikely. And the war has failed due to the arrogant policies of it's engineers! And what about the piece of garbage that is Tom DeLay? Bill Frist? Both pieces of phoney hypocritical shit that expouse "Christianity" of ripping off people and making money! Cunts!



                Bullshit! Media reporting is driven by consumer demand! Remember your high school economics lesssons



                Give me a fucking break! Stop listening to drug addicts like Rush Limbaugh fool!

                And BTW, it's ABU FUCKING-GHRAIB! At least spell it right!
                1. The NY Times (ran the most front page stories of abu grabe) and Boston Globe readership has been trending downward. Where's the demand coming from Greenspan.

                2. I've never listened to Rush Limbaugh before. not acquainted with the AM dial. Anymore stereotypes smartass ?

                3. Are you suggesting that Americans deserve to be beheaded because we invaded their country? Are you familiar with Saddam's conduct, the broken resolutions over the past decades, and the chance we gave him to cooperate? You act like we woke up one day and invaded Belgium.

                4. I don't spell Abu Ghareb correctly out of disrespect and lack of concern over the issue. Thanks for checking though. How are those Arabic lessons going? Our next correspondence will be in Arabic only please.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49567

                  #9
                  Re: Re: Re: Re: No Accountability on Abu Ghraib

                  Originally posted by Betty Bush III
                  1. The NY Times (ran the most front page stories of abu grabe) and Boston Globe readership has been trending downward. Where's the demand coming from Greenspan.
                  Because it was an issue! WTF are they supposed to do, just shill for the Gov't and deny, deny, deny! The media is supposed to attack the government!

                  Were you outraged when bullshit scandals hit the Clinton White House? you know, when he received a blow job from an intern, the the US Fed. Gov't shut sown as a result? What a fucking joke, where was your outrage then hypo'wit? Where is your outrage at the people who caused Abu Ghraib to happen?

                  And the BOSTON GLOBE is a traditionally moderate-conservative paper...

                  2. I've never listened to Rush Limbaugh before. not acquainted with the AM dial. Anymore stereotypes smartass ?
                  Really, I could hardly tell with your inarticulate, tired old cliche's and over-generalizations in which you "stereotype" liberals with the same stupid bullshit brush swath without citing any specific examples!

                  3. Are you suggesting that Americans deserve to be beheaded because we invaded their country?
                  No idiot, you are suggesting that I am suggesting that as some sort of retarded sophist bullshit argument! I never said anything of the sort! Have a quote of me saying that?! Watch your mouth newby!

                  Are you familiar with Saddam's conduct, the broken resolutions over the past decades, and the chance we gave him to cooperate? You act like we woke up one day and invaded Belgium.
                  Jesus I've debated this shit a hundred times! Yes Saddam was an asshole whom we had absolutely NO PROBLEM with until he invaded KUWAIT (and put his dirty, filthy hands on our oil!).

                  During Operation Desert Shield, TIME magazine ran a profile of SADDAM telling everyone what a psychotic, Stalin worshipping despot he was. FINE! But it came out later that this was actually derived from a CIA file and was a hatchet job using the "Liberal Media" to whip up the American public against those 'evil bastard Iraqis', but oh, wait, we knew what worthless prick this asshhole was all along, but oh...looky here!


                  Where is your outrage at that!?

                  Furthermore, when are we going to invade every other horrible dictatorship while killing up 100,000 of the nation's citizens while doing so? North Korea? Sudan? Burma? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia...Oops, they're our ally, sorry!

                  4. I don't spell Abu Ghareb correctly out of disrespect and lack of concern over the issue. Thanks for checking though. How are those Arabic lessons going? Our next correspondence will be in Arabic only please.
                  That's not arabic, it's the English translation. I don't speak arabic, but it would be a great language to learn! Then maybe the CIA or DIA would hire me!

                  No you're only concerned when the issues are handed to you by Republican dolts attacking Presidents getting a blow job, not when we go into a country and cry liberator while acting like the dictator we overthrew!

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                  • DrMaddVibe
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6686

                    #10
                    Face it dildo...your boo-frickety-hoo bullshit is played out!

                    Go cry somewhere else!
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                    • Warham
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 14589

                      #11
                      That pic of Rumsfeld and Hussein really doesn't show me anything, except the dictator of one country shaking the hand of a representative of another.

                      Didn't Clinton shake the hand of North Korea's dictator a few years back?

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49567

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                        Face it dildo...your boo-frickety-hoo bullshit is played out!

                        Go cry somewhere else!
                        Wow! You're on fire again Mrs.SADDVIBE!

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49567

                          #13
                          Pretty soon you'll be at WayneL's level of posting and feet fetish ASSVIBE!

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                          • DrMaddVibe
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 6686

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            Wow! Your on fire again Mrs.SADDVIBE!
                            Like we need to see your photo albums?

                            Go cry somewhere else dildo!
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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49567

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                              Like we need to see your photo albums?

                              Go cry somewhere else dildo!
                              Yup! Wayne L. retort.

                              I be right here PUSSYVIBE, I enjoy embarrassing the shit out of you you toothless, uneducated hick!

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