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    Draft-dodger monument ignites rage among vets



    Draft-dodger monument ignites rage among vets
    Americans beg Bush to oppose tribute to 'cowards' who fled

    Posted: September 26, 2004
    8:45 p.m. Eastern



    © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

    Plans to build a memorial to draft-dodgers from the Vietnam War is sparking outrage from American veterans, and President Bush is being urged to oppose the project.

    A private Canadian group is sponsoring the monument, which is slated for display in Nelson, British Columbia, in 2006.

    "This will mark the courageous legacy of Vietnam War resisters and the Canadians who helped them resettle in this country during that tumultuous era," said Isaac Romano, director of Our Way Home.

    Now, the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the U.S. is hoping President Bush will get involved and express displeasure to Canadian officials.

    "We urge the President and Congress to do whatever is necessary to communicate to the Canadian government that this exercise of free expression is an absolute slap in the face to every man and woman who ever served in uniform ... both in our military and theirs," said John Furgess, the national commander of the VFW.

    He says the VFW fully supports freedom of expression and the arts, "But to honor draft-dodgers, deserters, people who brought grief to the families they left behind and anguish to those American men who took their place, is an abomination. You can say what you want about the war – we all did and some still do – but do not dishonor the warrior by memorializing cowards."


    Dennis Klein, a sculptor and teacher at Kootenay School of the Arts, and artist Naomi Lewis have reportedly been selected to design and construct the monument, depicting Canadians embracing the hands of American war opponents.

    Ordinary citizens are also blasting the project, posting comments on the city of Nelson's community bulletin board.


    "I will make sure I don't spend another cent in Canada. Why don't you chai-sipping libs do something constructive? Pathetic." (John Cislo, Grosse Pointe Farms, Mich.)

    "This disrespects all of those who made the ultimate sacrifice while serving in the United States Armed Forces. It dishonors the service of all American veterans and will bring shame upon your community. This reopens old wounds that will probably never heal. I have traveled to British Columbia. I have a daughter who lives in Edmonton, Alberta. Be assured that if your community builds this disgraceful monument, I will never again travel to B.C., your city, and most likely your country." (William P. Schettino, Jr., Austin, Texas)

    Some remain supportive of the idea.

    "My view of the whole event/monument was not so much to honor the war resisters, rather to honor the Canadians for lending a helping hand during a time of an illegal, immoral and undeclared war. The resisters do not need honoring any more then the vets need honoring. I thought the Canadian [government] did the right thing in dealing with those 125,000 leaving the U.S. at that time. This opportunity for Canada to do the right thing could well be just a few years away again." (Michael Donner, Canada)

    Organizers from Our Way Home say despite the hot rhetoric, they're not backing away from their plans, which also include a concert and a host of speeches by members of the anti-war movement.

    It's been estimated some 125,000 Americans fled to Canada during the Vietnam War to avoid the U.S. draft. About half returned to the U.S. when President Jimmy Carter granted them amnesty in 1977.
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59950

    #2
    Junior can't say shit about this without being a complete hypocrite. As someone who begged his daddy to get him out of the draft, and then even deserted from his relatively cushy guard duty, he's in no position to condemn anyone else's choices.
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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      Deserted ??

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59950

        #4
        Originally posted by ELVIS
        Deserted ??
        Yes, deserted.....

        Eat Us And Smile

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        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • Big Train
          Full Member Status

          • Apr 2004
          • 4013

          #5
          What is the design of it? Men running in the opposite direction?

          It is a HUGE slap in the face to those who served (GW and Kerry among them, service is service).

          And yet another fine example of a certain element of Canadian society with their moral superiority trip.

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 59950

            #6
            Originally posted by Big Train
            (GW and Kerry among them, service is service).

            It is if you bother to show up. Dan Quayle served his committment in the National Guard during the Vietnam war. George Bush Jr did not.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10625

              #7
              Originally posted by FORD
              Yes, deserted.....

              http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...o/mcm/bl85.htm
              You know NOTHING of this subject....SHUT UP!
              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • Sgt Schultz
                Commando
                • Mar 2004
                • 1270

                #8
                Bush deserted = Dead horse

                Non issue, drop it.

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35827

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  It is if you bother to show up. Dan Quayle served his committment in the National Guard during the Vietnam war. George Bush Jr did not.
                  Dan Quayle also got an essential and highly dangerous posting to the National Guard. He also had a rich powerful Daddy.

                  What an amazing coincidence...


                  "I do -- I do -- I do -- I do -- what any normal person would do at that age. You call home. You call home to mother and father and say, ``I'd like to get into the National Guard.''
                  -- Senator Dan Quayle, 8/19/88 (reported in Esquire, 8/92)

                  "Obviously, if you join the National Guard, you have less of a chance of going to Vietnam. I mean it goes without saying. "
                  -- Senator Dan Quayle discussing his draft record on NBC's `Meet the Press', 9/20/92. (reported in the Houston Chronicle 9/21/92)

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                  • DrMaddVibe
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6686

                    #10
                    You don't get an Honorable Discharge if you're a deserter.

                    Pull your head out of your puss...FORD!
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                    • JCOOK

                      #11
                      They will paint it yellow of course

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                      • Wayne L.

                        #12
                        Canada is out of its mind if it thinks about honoring Vietnam War era draft dodgers with a monument besides the country is a waste of time anyway except for legendary artists like Rush, Gordon Lightfoot & Anne Murray just to name a few.

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                        • Satan
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 6664

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Wayne L.
                          Canada is out of its mind if it thinks about honoring Vietnam War era draft dodgers with a monument besides the country is a waste of time anyway except for legendary artists like Rush, Gordon Lightfoot & Anne Murray just to name a few.
                          Gordon Lightfoot will soon be on a terra-ist list right along with Cat Stevens. It's only obvious to the trained patriotic ear that "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" is a call for terra-ists to blow up ships in the Northern harbors, or that "Carefree Highway" is a euphemism for the road that leads to the Muslim Paradise where the martyr is greeted by 72 virgins.
                          Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

                          Originally posted by Sockfucker
                          I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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                          • Big Train
                            Full Member Status

                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4013

                            #14
                            To quote a lighfoot song:

                            OH LORD, I THINK IT'S A SIN
                            WHEN FORD THINKS HE MADE A POINT,
                            BUT HE DIDN'T AGAIN....

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 59950

                              #15
                              Just a reminder of who did and did not serve their country (if that's what you want to call fighting in Vietnam)

                              Democrats

                              Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
                              David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
                              Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
                              Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
                              journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
                              Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
                              Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
                              John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,
                              Purple Hearts.
                              Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
                              Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
                              Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
                              Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
                              Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
                              Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and
                              seven campaign ribbons.
                              Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,
                              and Soldier's Medal.
                              Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
                              Legion of Merit.
                              Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
                              Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
                              Star with Combat V.
                              Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
                              Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
                              Chuck Robb: Vietnam
                              Howell Heflin: Silver Star
                              George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
                              Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
                              received 311.
                              Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
                              Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
                              John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
                              Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
                              Wallenberg.

                              Republicans

                              Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
                              Tom Delay: did not serve.
                              Roy Blunt: did not serve.
                              Bill Frist: did not serve.
                              Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
                              Rick Santorum: did not serve.
                              Trent Lott: did not serve.
                              Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
                              John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
                              Jeb Bush: did not serve.
                              Karl Rove: did not serve.
                              Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked
                              Cleland's patriotism.
                              Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
                              Vin Weber: did not serve.
                              Richard Perle: did not serve.
                              Douglas Feith: did not serve.
                              Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
                              Richard Shelby: did not serve.
                              Jon Kyl: did not serve.
                              Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
                              Christopher Cox: did not serve.
                              Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
                              Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor.
                              George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
                              assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for
                              U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared
                              from duty.
                              Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making
                              movies.
                              B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
                              Phil Gramm: did not serve.
                              John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and
                              Distinguished Flying Cross.
                              Bob Dole: an honorable WWII veteran.
                              Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
                              Duke Cunningham: nominated for Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Silver Stars,
                              Air Medals, Purple Hearts.
                              Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
                              Colin Powell: Long career in military management.
                              Don Nickles: National Guard, 1970-1976
                              Jim Inhofe: Army, 1954-1956
                              Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
                              John M. McHugh: did not serve.
                              JC Watts: did not serve.
                              Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
                              Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Ind! iana National Guard.
                              Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
                              George Pataki: did not serve.
                              Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
                              John Engler: did not serve.
                              Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
                              Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army ZZZbase.
                              George H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
                              Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
                              Sam Johnson: Combat in Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi.
                              Ted Stevens: WWII pilot, DFCs, two Air Medals.
                              John Warner: Served in the Navy during WWII as a RM3
                              Heather Wilson: Air Force 1978-1989
                              Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII

                              Pundits & Preachers

                              Sean Hannity: did not serve.
                              Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
                              Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
                              Michael Savage: did not serve.
                              George Will: did not serve.
                              Chris Matthews: did not serve.
                              Paul Gigot: did not serve.
                              Bill Bennett: did not serve.
                              Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
                              John Wayne: did not serve.
                              Bill Kristol: did not serve.
                              Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
                              Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
                              Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
                              Ralph Reed: did not serve.
                              Michael Medved: did not serve.
                              Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
                              Ted Nugent: did not serve.
                              Eat Us And Smile

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                              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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