This debate was probably a DRAW.....

[Seshmeister]

I watched it this morning and I have to say that how anyone could consider voting for Bush is beyond me. The minute he went off script he was completely fucking useless.

My favourite line was "and that's why the US has a Healthcare system that is the envy of the world"

I actually burst out laughing aloud at that one...

[ODShowtime]

I liked when Kerry said:

"the president is lying to you"

I died laughing. No shit!

[Steve Savicki]

Joe Lockhart speaks:

"A few minutes ago, the third and final presidential debate came to a close. Once again, I am about to head over to the "spin room," and once again I am going to have the chance to talk about a victory for John Kerry.

During these debates, John Kerry has left no doubt that he has the strength and character we need in a commander in chief. He has shown the American people his command of the facts, steady demeanor, and well reasoned arguments. He offered hope and optimism, and showed that he will fight for middle class families.

The Bush campaign has tried to lower the bar for each debate. But the bar can only go so low.

The bottom line is, when it comes to the concerns of the middle class, George Bush just doesn't get it -- doesn't know how to talk about it -- and has no way to fix it. While he offered nothing but more of the same tired rhetoric -- John Kerry presented real solutions to real problems. That's the reason why John Kerry won and George Bush lost -- lowered expectations and spin from the Bush campaign will not change this.

Tonight George Bush's denials further damaged his credibility. He denied we have problems with immigration, No Child Left Behind, equal pay for women and the minimum wage. Bush pretends our problems don't exist, and he won't level with the American people.

[franksters]

so you are telling me that saoudie arabia is a good democratic country
and that everyone is free overthere?

what I meant by dictator was WORLD dictator and that's why there are almost no allies with the US.

but in the end I respect your opinion, I just don't agree that bush went against the decision of UN to not go to war against irak even if I don't like the politics of the muslim countries.

this war is like the war on drugs or on prostitution you will never win it!

period, you are beating a dead horse!

[ELVIS]

Saoudie ??

:D

[ODShowtime]

they spell that shit like 18 different ways...

[McCarrens]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz

That's a great pic there!

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[DLR'sCock]

Who do you think won the debate?

George W. Bush 29% 719,590 votes

John Kerry 71% 1,747,213 votes

Evenly matched 0% 1534 votes
Total: 2,468,337 votes

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/

[DLR'sCock]

Who won the debate? 2,212,670 responses


Pres. Bush 39%

Sen. Kerry 61% :D

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/13/debate.main/index.html

Bush, Kerry hit each other on domestic issues
Battleground states ahead after candidates' final debate
Thursday, October 14, 2004 Posted: 8:31 AM EDT (1231 GMT)





TEMPE, Arizona (CNN) -- President Bush and Democratic rival Sen. John Kerry met on Wednesday for their final debate, clashing on issues ranging from the economy to jobs, taxes and same-sex marriage.

With the three debates over, the candidates planned to visit several battleground states to hammer home their messages in the final weeks before Election Day. National surveys show the candidates running neck-and-neck, intensifying the importance of the campaign's home stretch.

Like the previous two presidential debates, the tone Wednesday was cordial yet spirited, as Bush accused Kerry of doing little but listing complaints and Kerry accused the president of failing to act on matters such as health care and jobs.

The debate hall was filled with a flurry of facts and figures this time, more so than in the previous debates. At least one viewer said she went away confused.

"I wanted to hear some specifics, but what they say doesn't make any sense," Connie Narduzzo, 84, of Syracuse, New York told The Associated Press. "They just seem to go back and forth, throwing numbers at each other."

Also like the previous face-offs, a poll of viewers indicated that Kerry did a better job of debating.

A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released shortly after the debate indicated that more who watched it gave Kerry the edge. Among the poll's 511 respondents, 53 percent said Kerry did better, and 39 percent said Bush did. The poll's margin of error was plus or minus 5 percentage points.

The poll represents the views of those who watched the face-off only, not all Americans. Also, opinions of the debate may change within the coming days. The respondents were 36 percent Republicans, 36 percent Democrats and 28 percent independents -- the highest percentage of Democrats of any of the post-debate polls.

CBS News anchor Bob Schieffer was host of the 90-minute event held at Arizona State University.

Senior Bush campaign adviser Karen Hughes emerged from the debate pleased by the president's performance and critical of his opponent's.

"It became very clear tonight [Kerry] has no plans," Hughes said. "He has an interminable list of complaints. Complaint after complaint after complaint."

Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill said it was a "very bad night for President Bush."

"I think the president had a pretty rough time tonight because he can't acknowledge that any of the problems that the country has, from immigration to equal pay ... he was not able to one, acknowledge the problem, admit a mistake, or say where he wants to lead the country," Cahill said.

Beginning Thursday, Bush is to hit spots in Nevada, Iowa and Florida, according to the AP.

Kerry is scheduled to visit Nevada, Iowa, Wisconsin and Ohio, the AP reported.

On heath care, the president sought to explain the recent shortage of flu vaccines in the United States at the beginning of the flu season.

Kerry said the shortage "really underscores the problem with the American health care system. Five million Americans have lost their health insurance in this country."

After Kerry said he had a plan to expand health care, Bush said, "I want to remind people listening tonight that a plan is not a litany of complaints, and a plan is not to lay out programs that you can't pay for."

Kerry disputed that characterization.

"Every plan that I have laid out -- my health care plan, my plan for education, my plan for kids to be able to get better college loans -- I've shown exactly how I'm going to pay for those," Kerry said.

Jobs were also a focus at the debate Wednesday night.

"Mr. President," Schieffer asked, "what do you say to someone in this country who has lost his job to someone overseas who's being paid a fraction of what that job paid here in the United States?"

"I'd say, Bob, I've got policies to continue to grow our economy and create the jobs of the 21st century," Bush said. "And here's some help for you to go get an education. Here's some help for you to go to a community college."

Kerry has proposed corporate tax incentives that aim to lessen the movement of U.S. jobs to other nations.

"I want you to notice how the president switched away from jobs and started talking about education principally," Kerry said.

In responding to a question, Bush also lauded his budget proposal.

"It requires pro-growth policies that grow our economy and [creates] fiscal sanity in the halls of Congress."

Kerry countered: "Being lectured by the president on fiscal responsibility is a little bit like Tony Soprano talking to me about law and order in this country," Kerry said, reminding viewers of a ballooning federal deficit.

Bush responded: "My opponent talks about fiscal sanity. His record in the United States Senate does not match his rhetoric. He voted to violate the budget cap 277 times. You know, there's a mainstream in American politics, and you sit right on the far left bank."

When Bush accused Kerry of voting 98 times to increase taxes, Kerry implied that Bush was skewing the facts.

"Bob, anybody can play with these votes," Kerry said. "Everybody knows that. I have supported or voted for tax cuts over 600 times."

Dennis Nelson, 52, an Army Vietnam veteran, watched the debate in Tampa, Florida.

"I'm really worried about the economy, so I was impressed with what Kerry said," Nelson told the AP. "But I don't know if it's political rhetoric or [there's] something that he can do. I'm still undecided, and probably will be until I go to the polls."



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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/13/opinion/polls/main649227.shtml

Uncommitted Voters Pick Kerry

NEW YORK, Oct. 13, 2004


CBS) A majority of uncommitted voters (39 percent) who watched Wednesday's third and final presidential debate felt Sen. John Kerry won, though nearly as many (36 percent) thought the result was a tie, and about one-quarter gave the debate to President Bush.

Immediately after the debate, CBS News interviewed a nationally representative sample of more than 200 debate watchers assembled by Knowledge Networks who were "uncommitted voters" - voters who are either undecided about who to vote for or who have a preference but say they could still change their minds.

During the debate, women frequently registered more positive reactions to Kerry, and the final poll results also indicate that. Men and women uncommitted voters each saw a different winner in tonight's debate. Half of women named Kerry the winner while men divided evenly – Mr. Bush 32 percent, Kerry 29 percent.

These uncommitted voters said the debates had helped them decide whom to vote for this year.

HAVE THE DEBATES HELPED YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND?
(Uncommitted Voters Who Watched Debate)

Yes
71%
No
29%

While they came away from the final debate believing that both candidates had clear positions on the issues, for Kerry, those evaluations improved more dramatically. The percentage that thought he had clear positions almost doubled during the debate: beforehand, among these same respondents, just 31 percent said Kerry had clear positions on the issues, afterwards 59 percent did. Mr. Bush improved as well. After the debate, 64 percent said he had clear positions on the issues. 47 percent had thought so beforehand.

After the debate these voters overwhelmingly thought John Kerry cares about them and would protect Social Security. They were more mixed on whether Mr. Bush cares about people like them, although most said he did.

Seven in 10 uncommitted women voters who watched Wednesday said Kerry shares their priorities for the country. Men were evenly divided.

Both candidates gained in overall favorability, Kerry more than Mr. Bush. A majority of uncommitted voters came away from the third debate with more overall positive evaluations of Kerry. Four in 10 also came away with more positive views of Mr. Bush.

THE DEBATE'S EFFECT ON OPINIONS OF THE CANDIDATES
(Uncommitted Voters Who Watched Debate)

Better
Kerry
54%
Bush
39%

Worse
Kerry
9%
Bush
17%

No Change
Kerry
36%
Bush
44%

There were gender differences here, too. Forty-eight percent of male uncommitted voters said their opinion of Mr. Bush improved after the debate. Fifty-one percent of uncommitted women voters said their opinion of Mr. Bush didn't change. Kerry's image improved among both men and women.

Uncommitted voters in this poll graded the candidates with a sliding scale using their remote controls during the debate. In the real-time evaluations of tonight's debate:


Kerry scored a lot of points with the panel of uncommitted watchers on "kitchen table" issues: when he talked of job loss and American workers subsidizing the loss of their own jobs, and how he wanted to stand up for the American worker. Kerry got some of his highest ratings of the night when he said he would raise the minimum wage and would fight for women to have equal pay - this was especially highly rated among the women watching.


Kerry got high ratings when he said that peoples' health care should be as good as those of politicians. Kerry's discussion of his health care ideas garnered him generally high ratings (Mr. Bush's statements pointing out the potential costs of those plans did not meet with the same approval as Kerry's discussion of their benefits). Kerry scored high ratings on a personal matter at the end: discussing the women in his family, and the words of his mother.


Mr. Bush scored some of his highest ratings when he discussed his personal faith and said that he prays a great deal - especially when he said that his faith gives him strength and calms him in amidst the storms of the Presidency. Mr. Bush also got some of his highest ratings of the evening at the end of it - when he talked about his wife Laura and how they met.


Mr. Bush scored high points with the panel when he discussed his view on the sanctity of marriage, and as he discussed his stand against partial birth abortion the panel gave him consistently high ratings through that statement.


President Bush also scored points when he discussed prosecuting those committing crimes with guns. Kerry scored higher points in the area of gun control when he talked of going hunting and how he did not want criminals to have assault weapons.


Both got off to a slow start: neither candidate impressed the uncommitted much with their answers to the opening question of whether the nation would eventually be safer in the future.

[Warham]

All DLR'sCock poll numbers courtesy of Clinton News Network and msnBS.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Warham
All DLR'sCock poll numbers courtesy of Clinton News Network and msnBS.