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  • jslav06
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    • Jan 2006
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    Tabs Taken Off Tab Sites for Copyright Infringement.

    Song sites face legal crackdown
    By Ian Youngs
    BBC News entertainment reporter



    Unauthorised guitar tabs and other musical scores are widely available
    The music industry is to extend its copyright war by taking legal action against websites offering unlicensed song scores and lyrics.
    The US Music Publishers' Association (MPA), which represents sheet music companies, will launch its first campaign against such sites in 2006.

    MPA president Lauren Keiser said he wanted site owners to be jailed.

    He said unlicensed guitar tabs and song scores were widely available on the internet but were "completely illegal".

    Mr Keiser said he did not just want to shut websites and impose fines, saying if authorities can "throw in some jail time I think we'll be a little more effective".

    Bitter battles

    The move comes after several years of bitter legal battles against unauthorised services allowing users to download recordings for free.

    Publishing companies have taken action against websites in the past, but this will be the first co-ordinated legal campaign by the MPA.

    The MPA would target "very big sites that people would think are legitimate and very, very popular", Mr Keiser said.

    "The Xerox machine was the big usurper of our potential income," he said. "But now the internet is taking more of a bite out of sheet music and printed music sales so we're taking a more proactive stance."

    Music publishers and songwriters will consider all tools under the law to stop this illegal behaviour

    David Israelite
    National Music Publishers' Association
    David Israelite, president of the National Music Publishers' Association, added his concerns.

    "Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing," he said.

    "Music publishers and songwriters will consider all tools under the law to stop this illegal behaviour."

    Sandro del Greco, who runs Tabhall.co.uk, said the issue was not serious enough to warrant jail time and sites like his were not necessarily depriving publishers of income.

    Learn

    "I play the drums mainly but I play the guitar as well. I run the website and I still buy the [tab] books," he said.

    "The tabs online aren't deadly accurate so if someone really wants to know it they'll buy the book.

    "But most of the bands I listen to don't have tab books to buy so if you get them online, that's the only way you can really learn it unless you work it out yourself."

    The campaign comes after lyric-finding software PearLyrics was forced off the internet by a leading music publishing company, Warner Chappell.

    'No alternative'

    PearLyrics worked with Apple's iTunes, searching the internet to find lyrics for songs in a user's collection.

    "I just don't see why PearLyrics should infringe the copyright of Warner Chappell because all I'm doing is searching publicly-available websites," PearLyrics developer Walter Ritter said.

    "It would be different if they had an alternative service that also provided lyrics online and also integrated [with iTunes] like PearLyrics did. But they don't offer anything like that at all."

    A Warner Chappell statement said the company wanted to ensure songwriters were "fairly compensated for their works and that legitimate sites with accurate lyrics are not undermined by unlicensed sites".

    "We have requested that PearWorks provide us with information regarding the sources of their lyrics, and have further asked that they discontinue the service if these sources are operating without a licence."
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    This is ridiculous, It is because of these web sites that I taught myself the guitar. This whole copyright thing is getting really fucked up now. It's been this way for about a month already and its starting to get on my nerves. I usually learn songs by ear now, but as you might know, there are some songs that are just too friggin tough to figure out. I know its not impossible, but I'm very impatient and I need to learn songs quick. This is also stupid in the fact that people spend countless hours making these powertabs or guitarpro tabs only for them to be taken off the websites. This country is digging itself deeper into the grounds of a country that tells people what they can and can't do. Somebody calm me down before I punch my computer, or my dog. He won't friggin' shut up.
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  • Coyote
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    • Jan 2004
    • 8185

    #2
    In a phrase... Seriously Fucked Up.
    Why settle for something you have, if it's not as good as something you're out to get?

    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    It's like putting up a YouTube of Bach and playing Chopstix on your Bontempi...

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    • jslav06
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      • Jan 2006
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      #3
      That's what I say.
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      • sagebrush
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        • Oct 2005
        • 353

        #4
        Thats just fucked up !

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        • Cathedral
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          • Jan 2004
          • 6621

          #5
          Well, all ya really got to do is put in a wrong note here and there and then it isn't a copy of copywritten material.
          It's a facsimilie, similar, but different at that point and is under absolutely NO protection whatsoever.
          Think back to a cat named Vanilla Ice and his "Ice Ice Baby" tune or whatever.
          He was sued by Queen and because they had changed one note in the progression the court ruled that it wasn't infringement.

          I'd say that lots of sites are safe because their tabs are incorrect.

          Another case would be the song "Wild Thang" by who i cannot remember, where they took a sample from Van Halen's "Jaimie's Cryin" and used it as the main riff...VH won that because it was a sample...you see my point here?

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          • jslav06
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            • Jan 2006
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            #6
            Originally posted by Cathedral
            I'd say that lots of sites are safe because their tabs are incorrect.
            That's what I think. But that's not even really the point. Tab sites are made to help people and provide them with tabs that they can't find in stores, such as songs that aren't transcribed in tab books.
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            • doctor roth
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              • Jun 2005
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              #7
              There are still quite a few sites still open. But i figure it'll be like torrent sites, They can shut down a couple but wont be able to shut em all down. Time 'll tell i spose

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              • doctor roth
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                • Jun 2005
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                #8
                It is so very true that alot of material is not 'officially released'. See if you can find a friggn budgie tab book anywhere !!!! Go and ask that record company to release an official music book and see how far you get.

                If you are looking for a way to learn those difficult songs see what the guys at lick library.com have got. I got a DVD recently with 4 songs of eat em and smile. Those guys are fantastic teachers. They break stuff like the ladies night in buffalo solo down to a point where almost anyone can understand.

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                • doctor roth
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                  • Jun 2005
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                  #9
                  One more point is that if there is a good tab of a s song it will be duplicated on numerous sites anyway. All shutting down the big sites will do is make it a little more time consuming to find the tabs.

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                  • zeronumber
                    Foot Soldier
                    • May 2005
                    • 648

                    #10
                    I can understand the complaint. There have been countless times I've came across tabs that blantetly were taken from guitarworld and guitarone magazine, note for note. Though I was one of those who were thankful for those random idiots saving me the trouble of buying a zine I didn't want, but still letting me learn how to play a song was pretty cool.

                    But at the same time, being a guy who made well over 100 tabs...and see every cock sucking, ass licking mother fucking 14 year old piece of fucking shit, copy and paste my tab, and put their name on it always pisses me the fuck off.

                    So I can see why they are angry at sites. People work there ass off selecting songs, and go through the trouble of tabbing it out for a living, it sucks when your hard work is taken away from you, and you're not even given the least bit of recognition.
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                    • FORD
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                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59575

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Cathedral
                      Well, all ya really got to do is put in a wrong note here and there and then it isn't a copy of copywritten material.
                      It's a facsimilie, similar, but different at that point and is under absolutely NO protection whatsoever.
                      Think back to a cat named Vanilla Ice and his "Ice Ice Baby" tune or whatever.
                      He was sued by Queen and because they had changed one note in the progression the court ruled that it wasn't infringement.

                      I'd say that lots of sites are safe because their tabs are incorrect.

                      Another case would be the song "Wild Thang" by who i cannot remember, where they took a sample from Van Halen's "Jaimie's Cryin" and used it as the main riff...VH won that because it was a sample...you see my point here?
                      Actually, the only point you proved is that courts are inconsistent

                      Under Pressure was used as a direct sample even more blatantly than Jamie's Cryin was. And that was Tone Loc that ripped off VH. And his other song "Funky Cold Medina" stole the riff from Foreigner's "Hot Blooded".
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                      • ZahZoo
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                        • Jan 2004
                        • 9166

                        #12
                        I don't this one is going to hold up in any serious court challenge...

                        If you still want to find a good assortment of tabs... go to www.ultimate-guitar.com
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                        • jslav06
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                          • Jan 2006
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by zeronumber
                          I can understand the complaint. There have been countless times I've came across tabs that blantetly were taken from guitarworld and guitarone magazine, note for note. Though I was one of those who were thankful for those random idiots saving me the trouble of buying a zine I didn't want, but still letting me learn how to play a song was pretty cool.

                          But at the same time, being a guy who made well over 100 tabs...and see every cock sucking, ass licking mother fucking 14 year old piece of fucking shit, copy and paste my tab, and put their name on it always pisses me the fuck off.

                          So I can see why they are angry at sites. People work there ass off selecting songs, and go through the trouble of tabbing it out for a living, it sucks when your hard work is taken away from you, and you're not even given the least bit of recognition.
                          I definitely agree with you, but my main disagreement is with songs that have not been released in any books or magazines. I think doctor roth said it best when he said, "Go and ask that record company to release an official music book and see how far you get."
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