dorian modes on the guitar like vanhalen

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  • Steppenwolf
    Full On Cocktard
    • Feb 2007
    • 34

    dorian modes on the guitar like vanhalen

    The truth is there is rally not much you can do with a rock guitar allighnment in the art of music.Stay at A and E and youse your own intellect as to C#7s and Fo7s working up to octaves over majar pentatonic scales
  • BrownSound1
    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
    • Mar 2003
    • 3025

    #2
    I say just forget all that shit and play. :D I'll guarantee you most of the greats didn't know modes from assholes, including EVH.

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      I had the modes removed from my guitars...


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      • cdwillis
        Head Fluffer
        • Feb 2005
        • 251

        #4
        What is allighnment?
        "I've always been academic. I've trained in martial arts since my 12th birthday. I like contact sports, history books and the fine art of ridicule and sarcasm. I can gang-sign the alphabet and I own a Mercury low-rider. I am a black man trapped in a Jewish body."

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32942

          #5
          All I know is Every Good Boy Does Fine and FACE. EADGBE with A somewhere in the ballpark of 440 and rest tuned to that. Any note will work as long as it doesn't sound like shit. If I were real good, I wouldn't be here, I would be getting a blowjob by four expensive call girls on top of the Belagio in Vegas.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • ELVIS
            Banned
            • Dec 2003
            • 44120

            #6
            That wouldn't help your chops too much, but it could be a confidence booster..

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            • doctor roth
              Head Fluffer
              • Jun 2005
              • 257

              #7
              Even if 'the greats' dont know it, they are still playing within modes, scales and within known musical theory. I say learn all the scales and shit you can. But enough of what I think listen to someone who really knows.......................



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              • BrownSound1
                ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                • Mar 2003
                • 3025

                #8
                Sure they're playing in those modes, but you know what it is called developing your EARS. You should be able to hear what fits. When I said in my original post to "forget that shit and just play," I was being truthful. Jazz players have been saying that for years... I didn't invent that phrase.

                There's nothing wrong with knowing the theory, and all of the technical stuff. However, I've seen a lot of guys take that too far. They end up being boring as hell because they don't play like they are flying by the seat of their pants, so to speak. That's a big no no in rock and roll.

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                • UKPete
                  Full On Cocktard
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 26

                  #9
                  Listen to one of Eddies divebombs.

                  Does it sound good?

                  Of course it does, but it goes through every tone, semi-tone, quarter tone etc. till it drops a whole octave!

                  Are all those tones in a mode? Nope.

                  Does it sound great? You betcha!

                  If it sounds good it's right.

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                  • DLRdelight!
                    Veteran
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 1501

                    #10
                    thats what i was thinking. ed didnt know none of that stuff. he just went with what fucking sounded right. like pete said. have you heard those divebombs!

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                    • cdwillis
                      Head Fluffer
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 251

                      #11
                      A divebomb isn't exactly very musical; its more of a sound effect as far as I'm concerned. Of course, if it sounds good it is good.

                      I'd like to point out again that Steppenwolf's post doesn't make any fucking sense.
                      "I've always been academic. I've trained in martial arts since my 12th birthday. I like contact sports, history books and the fine art of ridicule and sarcasm. I can gang-sign the alphabet and I own a Mercury low-rider. I am a black man trapped in a Jewish body."

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35752

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BrownSound1
                        Sure they're playing in those modes, but you know what it is called developing your EARS. You should be able to hear what fits. When I said in my original post to "forget that shit and just play," I was being truthful. Jazz players have been saying that for years... I didn't invent that phrase.

                        There's nothing wrong with knowing the theory, and all of the technical stuff. However, I've seen a lot of guys take that too far. They end up being boring as hell because they don't play like they are flying by the seat of their pants, so to speak. That's a big no no in rock and roll.
                        Couldn't agree more.

                        I remember reading in a Van Halen music book about the genius of EVH's knowledge of scales in how he had switched between various modes and scales in a run.

                        Thing is what he had done was do a 1,2,4 pattern up 4 or 5 strings. In rock it's all mainly BS IMHO, although that's maybe just because I'm lazy.

                        That said there are a couple of theory things I've found to be cool like mixolydian modes or harmonic minor scales.

                        Generally though people that learn all that stuff to me end up often sounding like a poor mans Malmsteen. It seems to get in the way of song writing and melody. To learn all that stuff and then to know how and when to break the rules seems a step too far for most people.

                        It's maybe better to just not know the rules and concentrate on what sounds good IMHO.

                        That said I'm a mediocre guitarist but at least I might occasionally play something interesting because it's better to be a mediocre guitarist trying to come up with something that sounds cool than a mediocre guitariist that never will because they are constrained by theory.

                        I have no idea the name of half the chords I play...

                        Cheers!

                        Last edited by Seshmeister; 09-04-2007, 08:31 PM.

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                        • Matt White
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 20569

                          #13
                          Boxes

                          Though...I prefer to wrestle

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                          • Redballjets88
                            Full Member Status

                            • Mar 2005
                            • 4469

                            #14
                            i know a lot of guitarists don't use modes, and tons of thoery, but Ed probably does to an extent, he can definatly read music and he probably has a good knowledge of theory, all from being able to play piano.
                            R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                            hopefully God will ressurect you

                            "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


                            " I liked Sammy Hagar " FORD

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                            • jhale667
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 20929

                              #15
                              I'm reminded of a Billy Sheehan quote "You have to learn the rules before you can forget them"...:D

                              A mode is generated by playing a specific scale starting on a note OTHER than the '1' in the scale formula...(for the uninitiated) Dorian is arrived at by starting on the '2'.

                              I took formal lessons for a couple of years as a kid, and have tons of transcriptions and theory crap laying about...
                              I've corrected tab for an instructional video company, I guess I should know all of that forwards and backwards - I guess to an extent I do -
                              but when I'm improvising, I could not tell you what mode I'm playing in....
                              I mean, I know what key I'm in, but besides that? :D
                              That's the thing I always dug about EVH and similar players, the reckless abandon aspect of their playing... I don't ever want to be so concerned with theoretical correctness that I forget how to fly by the seat of my pants....
                              Originally posted by conmee
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                              That is all.

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                              Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                              I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                              Originally posted by Isaac R.
                              Then it's really true??

                              The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                              OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                              Originally posted by eddie78
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